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The Proctologist 03-10-2019 09:59 AM

No Sane Person should really be able to argue against this
Campaign Finance is at the heart of our broken political system, here's one idea for fixing it

DP 03-10-2019 11:55 AM

Did I miss something? Was a post deleted?

Shane 03-10-2019 12:27 PM

Getting most people to give 10 bucks could easily offset any billionaire or entity from buying what they want. Of course this can never happen with all the static between parties, ideologies, and general apathy. So...

hbar 03-11-2019 11:17 AM


Originally Posted by The Proctologist (Post 17721156)
Campaign Finance is at the heart of our broken political system, here's one idea for fixing it

I agree with 100% of the points made in this video. They've correctly identified the problem and their strategy for solving the problem is very sensible.

However, I've been saying pretty much the same thing for at least 25 years and the response from almost everyone I've tried to persuade is this:

1) Good idea.
2) I don't care enough to actually do anything about it.

From about 2003 through 2010, I seriously spent a lot of my time, effort, and also money that I couldn't spare on trying to encourage interest in implementing changes at the state level (mostly Illinois and Wisconsin) along the same lines as this video describes.

Zero interest. It became apparent to me that the public prefers to constantly bitch about a corrupt political system than expend an ounce of energy trying to change it.

hbar 03-11-2019 12:55 PM

Back on topic (please!).

The video outlines a 3 part strategy to fix political corruption:

1) build left/right consensus

2) pass political reform laws at the state and local level

3) become part of the movement

I've found that #2 is the one everyone agrees with, but the others are problematic.

There is just too much outrage between left and right for there to be any basis for consensus. BWOT illustrates that point. Probably 90% of the political content here is either shouting partisan doctrine at the opponent or just put downs and name calling. It may not be as rude in face to face personal discussions, but the refusal to consider ideas that don't fit preconceived ideological boxes is widespread.

Finally, Americans have simply become too lazy (or too cynical) to take part in an active political movement that would benefit the country as a whole. If the effort doesn't benefit someone as part of a special interest group, then it isn't worth their time.

GreenT 03-11-2019 12:57 PM

I have a better, simpler idea on how to solve this problem.

cowboyt 03-11-2019 01:13 PM

OK, back to the actual topic....

@hbar 's point of voter apathy is a good one. As long as people have food in their bellies, roofs over their heads, smartphones in their hands entertaining them ("hey, look, tabloid gossip!"), and aren't getting harassed by the authorities, then to them, there isn't an immediate problem worthy of their attention. They're wrong, but they don't see it that way.

The only way that sort of voter apathy is going to change is, unfortunately, through pain. History has borne that out, most recently in 2016 with both the Republican Primary and the subsequent Presidential Election. Jeb Bush had not only all that big-donor money behind him, but also the RPE (Republican Party Establishment) behind him as well. He got his butt kicked by the actual voters. Then the RPE folks and their donors ran to Marco Rubio, who also flamed out at the hands of the voters. The RPE might've had a chance with Ted Cruz, but they've never liked him because he was calling them out on their crap. Ron and Rand Paul, no way, because they wouldn't totally sell out, either (Ron especially). So, they looked for a last-gasp Great Establishment Hope. That was John Kasich, who got *his* butt kicked by the voters as well.

Basically, the Trumpster got elected by the voters in the Republican Primary because he was willing to take on the RPE, and Republican voters apparently liked that. Then he got elected in the General Election because of not just beating the corruption in the RPE, but also because Hillary was way too corrupt and had shown it. The Dems wanted a White feminist and nothing else would do, so...Hillary. And the Dems lost. Republican voters, by and large, had felt enough pain and decided to tell the establishment folks off with a big middle finger.

Dems wanna win in 2020? They need to ditch the establishment punks and look for someone who can take on Trump. They need a Brian Schweitzer who will A.) beat Trump at his own game; B.) has the guts to tell K-Street where to go deposit their fertilizer; and C.) actually has a decent foreign policy, energy policy, and can actually get along with and work with the "other side".

GreenT 03-11-2019 01:50 PM


Originally Posted by GreenT (Post 17722352)
I have a better, simpler idea on how to solve this problem.

Somebody ask me... I'll be happy to share.

Jakter 03-11-2019 01:51 PM


Hillary lost because she was too corrupt but not corrupt enough to lose the popular vote?

The constant barrage from the media starting off every story about Sec. Clinton with "Hillary Clinton's E-mail scandal" was enough to push voters who vote sensationalized headlines and bumper sticker's to not vote, or not vote for her.

stockdill 03-11-2019 02:12 PM

whats the answer, boss-

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