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whats the answer, boss-

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1. Overturn Citizens United

2. Return control of debates back to the League of Women who historically did a fantastic job.

3. Remove any made up requirements for any party to participate in the debate.

4. Institute public campaign financing so every candidates shares the same budget.

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^Real world fucking genius right there.
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Well, he hit all the DNC talking points.
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Zealots by definition, make very poor vessels of pragmatism or real time solutions. They live in a fantasy world in which there is no real opportunity to implement their 'better, simpler ideas', so may as well go for broke. I must say the tenacious ability to occlude incursions of reality is impressive.

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I love when you guys talk about me... I get that tingling thingy you know, and I realize how powerless you all are when it comes to make anything and everything about me. So please don't stop.

But any comment on the points of the post?

Something intellectually a little more elevated than an already high "real world fucking genius" would be a change.
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But any comment on the points of the post?.
Did you watch the full video?

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Did you watch the full video?

I did. I'm in love with Jennifer.
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1) Repeal "Citizens United". That would be nothing more than a minor inconvenience for profit based corporations, while it would be a serious impediment for individual citizens to exercise their right to free political speech. Ordinary Americans would be limited in their ability to effectively criticize and comment on politicians by how loudly they could yell standing in the public square or by how many fliers they could print up at Kinkos using only the disposable income in their bank accounts. "Citizens United" made it possible for like minded individuals to solicit donations to raise funds that are to be used collectively to make their political ideas known to the public via advertising. Grassroots organizations that want to participate in the political process are required to register as 501c corporations, and repealing "Citizens United" would effectively prohibit them from spending any money to make their ideas available to the public.

2) Return control of all debates to LOWV. Seriously? How are you going to make this happen? And if you could, what's to stop vested interests from influencing the LOWV?

3) Remove made up requirements for parties participate in debates. Yeah, that will be useful. We'd need to move the debates to the field of a soccer stadium in order to accommodate the hundreds of candidates that would participate in an event with no "made up requirements" for admission.

4) Institute public campaign financing so every candidate shares the same budget. Okay, how does one qualify for the funds? What's to keep every barking moonbat with a political blog from declaring himself a candidate and demanding the millions of dollars he needs to effectively advertise a political campaign? Also, how do you prevent rich people like Trump from spending their own money and overwhelming the public funds of other candidates?

5) Profit.

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So your plan instead of theirs or in conjunction with? I think their premise is it's hard to get the fox to give you the keys to the henhouse, so they take it by different means. Their plan with a solid Dem House, Senate, and maybe Bernie in the catbird seat -might- work, but doubtful, unless those freshman women are able to kick some azz and take some names (which I truly hope happens)

I don't know...as you have mentioned I can be a bit jaded on occasion, I keep daring to hope and it keeps turning to shit, Hope and Dream turned into "more of the fucking same" aka "status quo" albeit with dignity and grace...so it goes

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HBar makes good points, I'm interested in seeing a response, like, one of them conversation thingies, a deeeebate, god that would be cool, intellectual debate over a subject that isn't simple
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