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It needs it own thread. Too much to talk about not enough space elsewhere. Starting with the fact that in a thousand levels is a very stupid idea.

Issue 1. Property rights

Do Trump supporters realize (fat funking chance I know) that in order to build a wall thousands of miles long hundreds of thousand of acres of private land have to be secured either by landowners willing to sell to the federales or through imminent domain/confiscation?


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The Republican congressman whose district includes more miles of U.S.-Mexico border than any other came out against President Trump’s new executive action ordering the “immediate construction” of a border wall to block undocumented immigrants from entering the United States.

“Building a wall is the most expensive and least effective way to secure the border,” Rep. Will Hurd (R-Tex.) said in a statement late Wednesday.

“Each section of the border faces unique geographical, cultural, and technological challenges that would be best addressed with a flexible, sector-by-sector approach that empowers the agents on the ground with the resources they need.”

Hurd, one of 38 Texans in Congress, represents territory stretching from San Antonio to El Paso, including 800 miles of border. His 23rd District is majority-Hispanic and politically competitive: Hurd won a second term over Democrat Pete Gallego by fewer than 4,000 votes in November…
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You're forgetting how much of that border land is still Federal land, not owned by any individual, and already protected by a fence, wall or other man-made or natural obstruction.

The vast majority of the rest is probably owned by gun-toting God bless America minuteman types, all too happy to see a wall go up.

Other than that it's mostly desert or scrub land worth about $1000 an acre, if that, and of no use to man nor (edible) beast.
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The border is roughly 2,000 miles.


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As of 2010, the border is guarded by more than twenty thousand Border Patrol agents, more than at any time in its history. However, they only have "effective control" of less than 700 miles (1,100 km) of the 1,954 miles (3,145 km) of total border, with an ability to actually prevent or stop illegal entries along 129 miles (208 km) of that border.

20,000 agents to "secure" 130 miles. 1,870 to go...



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I wager a guess that the "Tunnel Under The Wall" construction will commence the same day the US crews arrive.

If Man can build a motion detector, another man can figure out a way around it.....for enough cash......which drug cartels aren't short of.


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So, despite all the blazing rhetoric about Mexico paying for The Wall (although they said "No way" months ago), it appears the US taxpayer will end up footing the estimated $20 BILLION cost of it. It's likely that our new "PENIS".....I'm sorry... I meant "POTUS" won't be among us as he publicly admits he doesn't PAY taxes. In fact, he takes pride in that.

Mexico said months ago they weren't even considering picking up any part of the tab for it and it doesn't seem that they've changed their minds on the subject. Trump's contemporaries probably won't be contributing anything to the kitty because he's declared substantial tax cuts for corporations and the upper echelon of US incomes. In a nutshell, the American citizenry is getting stuck with the bill for Donald Trump's tribute to Donald Trump.

Fiscal responsibility, my ass. Economically, this will prove to be Trump's "Iraq War"........we're STILL paying for that one.....and if he's successful in instituting the 20% tariff on imports from Mexico, I predict he'll start a trade war with (ready for this?) our 3rd largest trading partner. Our 2nd largest partner, Canada, has already voiced strong opposition to the PE...POTUS's antagonism towards Mexico so it wouldn't shocked me if they joined in the fray.

MAGA......right.

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Not Pink Floyd.

It needs it own thread. Too much to talk about not enough space elsewhere. Starting with the fact that in a thousand levels is a very stupid idea.

Issue 1. Property rights

Do Trump supporters realize (fat funking chance I know) that in order to build a wall thousands of miles long hundreds of thousand of acres of private land have to be secured either by landowners willing to sell to the federales or through imminent domain/confiscation?

Imminent/eminent - all the same...


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Mexico’s Immigration Law

Mexico's Immigration Law: Let's Try It Here at Home | Human Events


Mexico has a radical idea for a rational immigration policy that most Americans would love. However, Mexican officials haven’t been sharing that idea with us as they press for our Congress to adopt the McCain-Kennedy immigration reform bill.

That’s too bad, because Mexico, which annually deports more illegal aliens than the United States does, has much to teach us about how it handles the immigration issue. Under Mexican law, it is a felony to be an illegal alien in Mexico.

At a time when the Supreme Court and many politicians seek to bring American law in line with foreign legal norms, it’s noteworthy that nobody has argued that the U.S. look at how Mexico deals with immigration and what it might teach us about how best to solve
our illegal immigration problem. Mexico has a single, streamlined law that ensures that foreign visitors and immigrants are:

in the country legally;
have the means to sustain themselves economically;
not destined to be burdens on society;
of economic and social benefit to society;
of good character and have no criminal records; and
contributors to the general well-being of the nation.
The law also ensures that:

immigration authorities have a record of each foreign visitor;
foreign visitors do not violate their visa status;
foreign visitors are banned from interfering in the country’s internal politics;
foreign visitors who enter under false pretenses are imprisoned or deported;
foreign visitors violating the terms of their entry are imprisoned or deported;
those who aid in illegal immigration will be sent to prison.
Who could disagree with such a law? It makes perfect sense. The Mexican constitution strictly defines the rights of citizens — and the denial of many fundamental rights to non-citizens, illegal and illegal. Under the constitution, the Ley General de Población, or
General Law on Population, spells out specifically the country’s immigration policy.

It is an interesting law — and one that should cause us all to ask, Why is our great southern neighbor pushing us to water down our own immigration laws and policies, when its own immigration restrictions are the toughest on the continent? If a felony is a
crime punishable by more than one year in prison, then Mexican law makes it a felony to be an illegal alien in Mexico.

If the United States adopted such statutes, Mexico no doubt would denounce it as a manifestation of American racism and bigotry.

We looked at the immigration provisions of the Mexican constitution. [1] Now let’s look at Mexico’s main immigration law.

Mexico welcomes only foreigners who will be useful to Mexican society:

Foreigners are admitted into Mexico “according to their possibilities of contributing to national progress.” (Article 32)
Immigration officials must “ensure” that “immigrants will be useful elements for the country and that they have the necessary funds for their sustenance” and for their dependents. (Article 34)
Foreigners may be barred from the country if their presence upsets “the equilibrium of the national demographics,” when foreigners are deemed detrimental to “economic or national interests,” when they do not behave like good citizens in their own country, when they have broken Mexican laws, and when “they are not found to be physically or mentally healthy.” (Article 37)
The Secretary of Governance may “suspend or prohibit the admission of foreigners when he determines it to be in the national interest.” (Article 38)
Mexican authorities must keep track of every single person in the country:

Federal, local and municipal police must cooperate with federal immigration authorities upon request, i.e., to assist in the arrests of illegal immigrants. (Article 73)
A National Population Registry keeps track of “every single individual who comprises the population of the country,” and verifies each individual’s identity. (Articles 85 and 86)
A national Catalog of Foreigners tracks foreign tourists and immigrants (Article 87), and assigns each individual with a unique tracking number (Article 91).
Foreigners with fake papers, or who enter the country under false pretenses, may be imprisoned:

Foreigners with fake immigration papers may be fined or imprisoned. (Article 116)
Foreigners who sign government documents “with a signature that is false or different from that which he normally uses” are subject to fine and imprisonment. (Article 116)
Foreigners who fail to obey the rules will be fined, deported, and/or imprisoned as felons:

Foreigners who fail to obey a deportation order are to be punished. (Article 117)
Foreigners who are deported from Mexico and attempt to re-enter the country without authorization can be imprisoned for up to 10 years. (Article 118)
Foreigners who violate the terms of their visa may be sentenced to up to six years in prison (Articles 119, 120 and 121). Foreigners who misrepresent the terms of their visa while in Mexico — such as working with out a permit — can also be imprisoned.
Under Mexican law, illegal immigration is a felony. The General Law on Population says,

“A penalty of up to two years in prison and a fine of three hundred to five thousand pesos will be imposed on the foreigner who enters the country illegally.” (Article 123)
Foreigners with legal immigration problems may be deported from Mexico instead of being imprisoned. (Article 125)
Foreigners who “attempt against national sovereignty or security” will be deported. (Article 126)
Mexicans who help illegal aliens enter the country are themselves considered criminals under the law:

A Mexican who marries a foreigner with the sole objective of helping the foreigner live in the country is subject to up to five years in prison. (Article 127)
Shipping and airline companies that bring undocumented foreigners into Mexico will be fined. (Article 132)
All of the above runs contrary to what Mexican leaders are demanding of the United States. The stark contrast between Mexico’s immigration practices versus its American
immigration preachings is telling. It gives a clear picture of the Mexican government’s agenda: to have a one-way immigration relationship with the United States.

Let’s call Mexico’s bluff on its unwarranted interference in U.S. immigration policy. Let’s propose, just to make a point, that the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) member nations standardize their immigration laws by using Mexico’s own law as a model.

This article was first posted at CenterforSecurityPolicy.org.
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^^^ Explains why none of the whining Hollywood liberals, have moved to Mexico, after promising to leave after the election.
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“who’ll pay for the wall?” As if the Democrats ever gave a fig about costs. Who paid for the absurd “cash for clunkers”? Or Obama’s endless bailouts? Or Obamacare? Or Obama’s hundreds of billions to Iran? Or Obama’s 20 trillion dollar deficit? If Trump says Mexico will pay for that wall, rest assured, they will — one way or another.

Trump’s accomplishments in five days are nothing short of miraculous. We are witnessing history. And it’s wonderful. And no one is talking about it. It’s kafkaesque.
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