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Multipurpose - you are right
but where was your outrage about this

spare me your fake outrage and complete hypocrisy
The first time it's ever been posted here....congratulations!

But 43's pics like that were posted here.

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and again
where is your EVIDENCE about your previous accusation ?????
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I hope that I don't offend anyone by saying this, because that's not my intention. It's just the truth as I see it.


I consider it a valid reason to completely discount any argument that is based on a quote from the Bible.

"Revealed truth" is useless. Your religious books are not just worthless as guides to good moral behavior, but actively harmful. Take your Torah, Bible, Q'ran, and every other document that is supposed to have been written by the invisible sky god and flush it down the toilet and forget it ever existed. All of humanity will be better off for it.

It's the 21st century and it's time to use reason and rational arguments as guides to the truth.

Ummmmmmmmm......so I guess that you believe that you can either derive the absolutes from your reason alone, or that there are no absolutes.

Not a new approach.

But not a successful one, yet, either.

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Ummmmmmmmm......so I guess that you believe that you can either derive the absolutes from your reason alone, or that there are no absolutes.

Not a new approach.

But not a successful one, yet, either.

You want rebellion ?

You got it.

Make Rebellion Great Again.

Since no one seems to care that this thread has taken a right angle turn, I'll respond to this.

Some things in this universe are absolute. Some are not. This is an inevitable consequence of the laws of nature as we have discovered them based on our ability to reason. The ideas that we humans hold as true tend to be far more accurate when we use a rational approach to discovery than when we rely on the compilations of sacred stories that were written thousands of years ago.

For example, we know that when a person has a chronic condition of uncontrollable seizures, then it is caused by a misfiring of neurons in the brain and it's called epilepsy. It is not caused by possession of the devil.

This approach is new, compared to the traditional one. Religious inspired knowledge is as old as humanity itself. That's at least 100,000 years - maybe even twice that long. The new approach is sometimes called science and it's really only a few hundred years old.

I will absolutely stand by the success rate of the new approach. Compared to the old one, it's no contest. And I've been part of the rebellion to replace the old with the new for my entire adult life.
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Since no one seems to care that this thread has taken a right angle turn, I'll respond to this.

Some things in this universe are absolute. Some are not. This is an inevitable consequence of the laws of nature as we have discovered them based on our ability to reason. The ideas that we humans hold as true tend to be far more accurate when we use a rational approach to discovery than when we rely on the compilations of sacred stories that were written thousands of years ago.

For example, we know that when a person has a chronic condition of uncontrollable seizures, then it is caused by a misfiring of neurons in the brain and it's called epilepsy. It is not caused by possession of the devil.

This approach is new, compared to the traditional one. Religious inspired knowledge is as old as humanity itself. That's at least 100,000 years - maybe even twice that long. The new approach is sometimes called science and it's really only a few hundred years old.

I will absolutely stand by the success rate of the new approach. Compared to the old one, it's no contest. And I've been part of the rebellion to replace the old with the new for my entire adult life.

Not the matter of the rebellion to which I refer.

There are no absolutes in the physical realm which you can demonstrate based upon your sense knowledge.

What absolutes are you referring to, that you know so well ?

I am pretty sure that you have not demonstrated with any certainty (or as an absolute) that fallen angels, which you term demons, do not exist.
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Not the matter of the rebellion to which I refer.
I don't know what you're talking about.

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There are no absolutes in the physical realm which you can demonstrate based upon your sense knowledge.

What absolutes are you referring to, that you know so well ?
I've been referring to what we know about the natural world, which is fundamentally based on absolutes. These absolutes have a great amount of influence on our daily lives which is why they are predictable at a certain level. But when nature becomes very complex, there is less predictability and the absolutes disappear, to be replaced by probabilities. Extremely complex phenomena - like human behavior - become very unpredictable.

Here's some examples of absolutes:

-- Planck's constant. This is a unit of length that represents the smallest possible "piece" of the universe. Labelled "hbar".
-- The speed of light. Labelled "c".
-- Laws of conservation and laws of symmetry.

These absolutes (and a great many others) are not arguable. I genuinely don't understand what your disagreement is with me unless you're trying to make some kind of religious point. If so, then you'll have to be a bit more clear.

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I am pretty sure that you have not demonstrated with any certainty (or as an absolute) that fallen angels, which you term demons, do not exist.

Since I'm arguing from the standpoint of truths of nature, I'm using the language of science, which has no relevance to your assertion that angels might exist. I'm not interested in trying to disprove the existence of God or any other supernatural being. Such a thing is impossible to do, by definition.

Every major religion including the 4 billion Christians and Muslims in the world value FAITH over evidence. Proof is irrelevant or even undesirable. If you use the Bible or the Q'ran as your moral compass, then you shouldn't care at all what "proof" I can or can't provide or what "absolutes" I describe in nature.



This is my final post on this issue so this thread can get back on topic. Respond if you want, but I'm done.

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I am pretty sure that you have not demonstrated with any certainty (or as an absolute) that fallen angels, which you term demons, do not exist.
Quite right. I believe I might know one by name: Russell. And I do believe Russell has a teapot.
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Boo Hoo.

There's more than 10,000 posts in this thread. Six posts of the last few pages take a side trip and heads start spinning around like in "The Exorcist".
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