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While I am entirely ignorant on the detail design of the new sub atomic particle examination instrument, I am very familiar with nuclear power plant design details. I am also fully aware of the TMI incident. The problems with such systems is they use humans to run them, and humans do dumb things because they get bored.

TMI failed because a pressure relief valve failed open. The valve drained the primary fluid from the plant. The operators had the status of the valve, open, displayed on their control panels and decided the valve was ok and the position sensor was wrong. Then they had instruments tell them the water level was too low, and decided those instruments were wrong. Then they had an indication that the fuel temperature was too hot and decided that could only happen if they were melting down, and ignored that. l

If you want a world with no machines that break down, get rid of the humans. Most car accidents happen because of incompetence by the operator. Even in cases where the manufacturer gets blamed, like the Firestone tires on Ford Explorers accidents. People were driving those vehicles with very low air pressures. And the Ford engineers "fixed" a suspension problem with lower than normal air pressure in the tires, making the likelihood of unsafe air pressures increase substantially.

Humans are the problem. With a new machine like the instrument you are so scared of the human error factor is generally lower. Humans get more incompetent when what they are doing is repetitive and boring. Like watching a status board in a control room with blinking red and yellow lights. Not quite the same as running away from a tiger or a bear to stay alive. Jim
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While I am entirely ignorant on the detail design of the new sub atomic particle examination instrument, I am very familiar with nuclear power plant design details. I am also fully aware of the TMI incident. The problems with such systems is they use humans to run them, and humans do dumb things because they get bored.

TMI failed because a pressure relief valve failed open. The valve drained the primary fluid from the plant. The operators had the status of the valve, open, displayed on their control panels and decided the valve was ok and the position sensor was wrong. Then they had instruments tell them the water level was too low, and decided those instruments were wrong. Then they had an indication that the fuel temperature was too hot and decided that could only happen if they were melting down, and ignored that. l

If you want a world with no machines that break down, get rid of the humans. Most car accidents happen because of incompetence by the operator. Even in cases where the manufacturer gets blamed, like the Firestone tires on Ford Explorers accidents. People were driving those vehicles with very low air pressures. And the Ford engineers "fixed" a suspension problem with lower than normal air pressure in the tires, making the likelihood of unsafe air pressures increase substantially.

Humans are the problem. With a new machine like the instrument you are so scared of the human error factor is generally lower. Humans get more incompetent when what they are doing is repetitive and boring. Like watching a status board in a control room with blinking red and yellow lights. Not quite the same as running away from a tiger or a bear to stay alive. Jim
Jim, I have to agree with you. There is the engineering factor and the scientific user factor but there is always a human factor.

Look at a simple thing like taking an aircraft up, two most common faults in accidents are engine/auronotics failure and human error.

We have been flying around the world for years and accidents still happen. But the CERN project is the biggest experiment ever undertaken in engineering terms. So when someone tells me it is 100 pc safe I will not believe them.


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If you actually read the articles, you will realize that physicists have NO idea of what may happen which is part of the mystery they are trying to unravel in the first place using the collider.

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If you actually read the articles, you will realize that physicists have NO idea of what may happen which is part of the mystery they are trying to unravel in the first place using the collider.
That I understand but do they, the phhysicists, understand the engineering of such a device? and what can go wrong on an (engineering level)?


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Relax Eric. It's not like the thing was made in China.

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Relax Eric. It's not like the thing was made in China.
Are you sure of that?

Do you actually know where the seat you sit on comes from? Made by bosch is just a joke nowadays.


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Uh, no.

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Whats the big deal- if it blows it'll all be over in a nanosecond, you won't even be able to process the fact that it happened- beats the hell out of cancer

Still remember the final shot of Dr Strangelove where ol' Slim is riding the H bomb to the ground
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Uh, no.
I think CLKMan had a couple of chairs that were most probably made in Cina or maybe his is simply fat lol. This type of construction is serious and a first time event


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