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Today 08:15 AM
tuttebenne
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Originally Posted by dolucasi View Post
That being said though, would it not be easier to just change the darn switch then to bypass it?
Smartest thing I've heard all day! FWIW, you could also open the NNS (drill out the rivets) and repair the bad contacts. But as Dolucasi says, it just makes good sense (and safe practice) to replace it rather than screw with it or try to eliminate it.
Today 07:30 AM
dolucasi My factory Manual 5-speed imported by the dealer does not have a NSS either It is an '89 M103, W201.

That being said though, would it not be easier to just change the darn switch then to bypass it?
Yesterday 10:44 PM
Real1shepherd
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Originally Posted by LeftCoastGeek View Post
um, neither my 1984 VW Rabbit Convertible (5 speed), 1989 Jetta GLi16v (5 speed), nor 2008 Toyota Tacoma 4x4 (6-speed) had a neutral switch. if you cranked them in gear, they lugged.
Apparently the law doesn't/didn't apply to imports with manual transmissions. This I don't remember....but I had two 80's Peugeot wagons with manuals.

Kevin
Yesterday 03:13 PM
tuttebenne A quick starter check:
1. gear selector in Park and key OUT of the ignition
2. remove the 3 pin connector adjacent to the reservoir for the master cylinder.
3. (again, gear selector in park)
4. jumper 12v. from the positive post on the battery to the center pin on the male three pin connector secured to the bulkhead (not the female pins on the connector you removed)
5. The starter solenoid will engage and the starter should start cranking the engine.
08-16-2019 08:26 PM
LeftCoastGeek
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Originally Posted by Real1shepherd View Post
Just be aware that it's Federal law as well to have a NSS switch as part of your clutch system on a manual.....and has been so since about 1980.

Kevin
um, neither my 1984 VW Rabbit Convertible (5 speed), 1989 Jetta GLi16v (5 speed), nor 2008 Toyota Tacoma 4x4 (6-speed) had a neutral switch. if you cranked them in gear, they lugged.
08-16-2019 02:46 PM
Real1shepherd Wow.....I wonder how that got by the Feds/DOT. Maybe the Feds didn't consider it a death threat issue on imported manual cars.

I'm trying now to remember if that Peugeot wagon I bought new in the late 80's had the lockout or not. It was a 5spd. I had a GMC pickup a few yrs older that had the lockout with a 4spd. Funny....can't recall on the Peugeot.

Kevin
08-16-2019 01:13 PM
partnumber187 That is correct. Factory equipped manual cars do not have clutch lockout. I was surprised to learn this too. The switch on the clutch pedal is only wired to cancel CC.

A buddy's Subaru Justy that he had when we were in HS didn't have it either, and I doubt it was defeated because it was only a few years old at that time.
08-16-2019 01:02 PM
Real1shepherd Yeah, depression of clutch to start vehicle. You mean 124's sent to NA legally that had manual transmissions didn't require that feature?

Kevin
08-16-2019 12:32 PM
partnumber187 Do you mean clutch lockout on ignition? W201 and W124 do not have that from factory.
08-16-2019 12:27 PM
Real1shepherd Just be aware that it's Federal law as well to have a NSS switch as part of your clutch system on a manual.....and has been so since about 1980.

Kevin
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