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06-18-2019 04:25 PM
silver star 1984 For normal driving it seems 140k miles is the limit for front struts.
06-17-2019 04:33 PM
Loden338 Thanks white wagon. Unfortunately KYB does not make front shocks for 4matic. Bilstein only, (sigh).
06-17-2019 04:26 PM
Loden338 Thanks snoozy. They only make for rear. Mevotech makes an upgraded bushing for front, may have to try them.
06-17-2019 09:16 AM
SD_GR
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Originally Posted by 2000 E 320 White Wagon View Post

Anyow, that's my choice, FWIW, KYB.

They're a Japanese / American company and I think all they do is Shock & Suspension units, with a high rate of Quality control.
I'm using KYB on another car -- and they were OEM on that one too. I've no problem with them and am pleased. However, shock dyno tests I read as part of another forum revealed inconsistencies (though no worse than any mass produced damper if memory serves) and there is of course the matter of illegal activities in the USA in which KYB participated. To be fair, it was for only 20 years or so:

https://www.autonews.com/article/201...ing-conspiracy

US government source:

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/kyb-a...hock-absorbers

I'd buy Kayaba stuff but it's IMO significant to know their history.
06-16-2019 09:54 PM
2000 E 320 White Wagon
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Originally Posted by 260e crusier View Post
I've been looking for a W210 wagon for the last 8 months. Saw several nice ones, but they were all 4-matics. I decided not to get a 4-matic after see Kent's trailer for his W210 4-matic shock replacement on demand video. A search for performance parts availability for 4-matics pretty much have me looking for a RWD.

https://mercedessource.com/store/w21...s-demand-video
260e,

I think that's wise. Thats the same decision I faced 5 years ago, but around here in Texas I think it's 2 of 3 are RWD, so the 4matics are in the minority.

I'm sure if you live in a 'snow or mountain' region that would be different.

I just didn't want the complexity, overmuch.

IMHO, an ML320, 350 or 500 is also '4Matic' so for my money, I'd just get an w163, which is what we did 3 years ago.

Now, I haven't searched for parts like you say, and have been able to find most parts for our w210 wagon.

I say 'most' because some trim bits are difficult to find.

Probably have to troll Ebay or maybe buy a parts car, etc.

Part of being an 'Old Car Guy' but I've been that way for years, so 'par for the course' as they say !

Cheers - David in East Texas
06-16-2019 09:40 PM
2000 E 320 White Wagon
Thoughts on Shock life etc

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Originally Posted by Loden338 View Post
My 2000 E430 AWD, 137k miles seems to wallow a bit on uneven asphalt roads. Notice at 25 - 45 mph, smooths out at higher speeds. Car has original shocks, sway bar bushings. 2 questions:
1. What is the expected life of original shocks?
2. Are polyurethane sway bar bushings available for this car?
I plan to replace sway bar bushings first - easy and cheap. Shocks on the 4-matic are a real bear to replace and would rather not unless absolutely necessary. Or maybe what I consider wallow is normal for the big Benz? This is the first one I've owned so nothing to compare to. It is not disconcerting but maybe I just expect more stability? Cornering is fine, nice and flat. Any comments are appreciated!
Loden:

I'd say that you're about due for those new shocks, at 137k miles you've gone further than most.

Sorry it's either too much work or too expensive.

Even on our 2wd W210 wagon, we can only do the fronts, as the rears are really Self Leveling Suspension (SLS) that use a hydraulic Ram that either works or it doesn't.

Does yours have the SLS too ? Cause if so, the 'shocks' are really the black plastic globes, the Accumulators just inboard of rear wheels. A small 'bladder tank' so to speak.

Anyhow, on my Fronts, I installed KYB, and they work great, just right amount of ride control and not too stiff. On our potholed East Texas road too stiff is painful.

KYB's were stock on our ML500 - er, w163, 2002.

So I used them on the ML too, and quite happy.

Funny thing, I put them on the front of my HD Dodge Ram Cummins 4x4, just the 'OE rated KYB Excel G' and they were very stiff the first 1,000 miles.

Now they're smoothing out and the Ram rides perfect, just like both Benzes.

Anyow, that's my choice, FWIW, KYB.

They're a Japanese / American company and I think all they do is Shock & Suspension units, with a high rate of Quality control.

Hope that helps some.

David in East Texas

PS: The KYB fronts on the ML500 made it to around 115k miles that's good longevity on the beastly heavy ML. They were so 'original' they had rusted pretty good in place - it was a real chore to remove them !!
06-15-2019 06:15 PM
260e crusier
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Originally Posted by Loden338 View Post
Thanks SD. I did the bounce test but meh. Im going to replace I guess, been looking for articles/u-tube info but haven't found anything I can use. 4matic is a different beast, seems a lot harder to DIY.
I've been looking for a W210 wagon for the last 8 months. Saw several nice ones, but they were all 4-matics. I decided not to get a 4-matic after see Kent's trailer for his W210 4-matic shock replacement on demand video. A search for performance parts availability for 4-matics pretty much have me looking for a RWD.

https://mercedessource.com/store/w21...s-demand-video
06-15-2019 02:44 PM
Black Swan
Poly Bushings

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Mercedes-Co...8AAOSwux5YWACN

Snooozie on eBay makes high quality suspension parts for our W210's.
06-15-2019 02:29 PM
Loden338 Thanks wlb50. Sounds about right for shock life. Like a Monroe, Gabriel, etc. You are right, Bilstein used to be one of the best for longevity, but I think Koni has outclassed them a long time ago. Same issues as cheaper shock/struts. And the beat goes on...
06-15-2019 01:28 PM
wlb50 In the olden days the OE Bilsteins were good for 10 years and more. I replaced them (front) - rears are Sachs) on my 1996 SL500 5 years ago, and a year ago had to replace them again after 60,000 miles or so.

There was a rattle that I could not find - and my shop friend finally found it. It was a flange on the shock that had worked loose and was just clanging metal on metal. Same old story; a big corp buys a small corp with a noted product for quality and the first thing they do is cheapen the product to live off the reputation and make more money.

Bilstein has since changed the design from that flange but the only way you can really know is to take them off and test them.

Mine were completely gone - after 60K miles.
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