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Too many mistakes since last years German GP. In a slump or over the hill?

Could it actually be that the best German F1 driver is the one who quit after winning the 2016 World Championship?
Right now, it looks like Hamilton is driving in a masterclass of his own, and the last guy able to give him a real hard time was Rosberg.

People tended to underestimate Rosberg as a lightweight. When Schumacher came back and Rosberg was beating him, it was always 'Schumi is over the hill,' and not how well Rosberg was driving.
We saw flashes of the old Schumacher, when he put the Mercedes where it didn't belong at the time, the Monaco pole position in 2012.
Too bad grid penalties moved him back to P6, or we probably would have seen him on the podium.
Whether people liked his persona or not, he was indisputably a great driver. From listening, he appeared to have used throttle for added car control more than anyone else.

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I didn't know Mike Brewer was into F1.
As an aside, I was invited to the 'Wheeler Dealer' facility in Huntington Beach CA after their initial move to the US.
Two forum members work on that show.


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I was just telling a friend that missed the Silverstone race basically the same thing about Vettel. It is more than likely we have seen his best days racing and it was not this season or last.

Mike is a huge F1 fan. So was the Tall Man. I miss Mr. China, but Ant is doing a great job.
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I was just telling a friend that missed the Silverstone race basically the same thing about Vettel. It is more than likely we have seen his best days racing and it was not this season or last.

Mike is a huge F1 fan. So was the Tall Man. I miss Mr. China, but Ant is doing a great job.
+1, I liked Ed on that show too. Looking back at his reasons for leaving: 'less focus on tech/car work aspects,' and what Ant is doing now, It's baffling why Ed left at all. Manager asking for too much $, who knows?
The funny Euro warning triangle on Ed's wall with a reindeer silhouette instead of the exclamation mark comes from one of the mentioned forum members, whose family is of Finnish origin.
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I will never look at that sign the same way. There are some very early UK based seasons I have yet to see all of.
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Would tend to agree Vettel has lost his edge. No doubt he was a good driver when he won his WDC but he also was driving the best car on a team openly known for favoring one driver over another. (in spite of "multi 21",

As for Wheeler Dealers, they jumped the shark when they came to the USA. When I discuss this with my car buddies and strangers I meet at "Caffeine and Carburettors" meet ups they feel the same way. Edd China actually taught us new techniques, and did more than what "Ant" does which is primarily installing new parts out of the box or parts the show's sponsors have refurbished. Ant is just animated. His dialog is a blinding glimpse of the obvious.

The UK version was more enjoyable also because there were more "cottage industry" types supporting the effort; guys who only worked with aluminum or repaired wood veneer, or who repaired digital displays. You got to watch them work their magic. Who really needs to watch another set of wheels getting powder coated?

The show has always been contrived but since coming to the USA, more so IMO.
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Would tend to agree Vettel has lost his edge. No doubt he was a good driver when he won his WDC but he also was driving the best car on a team openly known for favoring one driver over another. (in spite of "multi 21",

As for Wheeler Dealers, they jumped the shark when they came to the USA. When I discuss this with my car buddies and strangers I meet at "Caffeine and Carburettors" meet ups they feel the same way. Edd China actually taught us new techniques, and did more than what "Ant" does which is primarily installing new parts out of the box or parts the show's sponsors have refurbished. Ant is just animated. His dialog is a blinding glimpse of the obvious.

The UK version was more enjoyable also because there were more "cottage industry" types supporting the effort; guys who only worked with aluminum or repaired wood veneer, or who repaired digital displays. You got to watch them work their magic. Who really needs to watch another set of wheels getting powder coated?

The show has always been contrived but since coming to the USA, more so IMO.
I agree, but a global viewership of around 200 million is hard to argue with. Looking arounds the political and social landscape of the US, to tailor the appeal to a somewhat lower common denominator shouldn't surprise.

As an aside, I came across this fun quote:
In Italy, for 30 years under the Borgia's, they had warfare, terror, murder and bloodshed, but they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo Da Vinci, and the Renaissance.
In next door Switzerland they had brotherly love, 500 years of democracy and peace, and what did they produce? The cuckoo clock.
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I agree, but a global viewership of around 200 million is hard to argue with. Looking arounds the political and social landscape of the US, to tailor the appeal to a somewhat lower common denominator shouldn't surprise.
I think that viewership number needs some qualification? Maybe its the total of all views - of all episodes - ever? It would be hard to believe 200 million displays are tuned in to Wheeler Dealers each week or even each season.

As for dumbing down the show to drive appeal to a less critical/informed audience, that's a bit risky for a show that is a niche product to begin with. On the other hand, if people who don't know which end of a soldering iron to hold are watching Motor Trend for entertainment, the show probably have a long future ahead of them.
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I think that viewership number needs some qualification? Maybe its the total of all views - of all episodes - ever? It would be hard to believe 200 million displays are tuned in to Wheeler Dealers each week or even each season.

As for dumbing down the show to drive appeal to a less critical/informed audience, that's a bit risky for a show that is a niche product to begin with. On the other hand, if people who don't know which end of a soldering iron to hold are watching Motor Trend for entertainment, the show probably have a long future ahead of them.
200 million is the aggregate annual number of Wheeler Dealer's global viewership. That's pretty massive.

Btw, according to SKY TV F1's Ted Kravitz, Ferrari's aero updates to make the front end more stable just before the Austrian GP worked,
but made the rear less stable, and Vettel's driving style depends on a stable rear. Ferrari is reported to work on rear updates.
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200 million is the aggregate annual number of Wheeler Dealer's global viewership. That's pretty massive.

Btw, according to SKY TV F1's Ted Kravitz, Ferrari's aero updates to make the front end more stable just before the Austrian GP worked,
but made the rear less stable, and Vettel's driving style depends on a stable rear. Ferrari is reported to work on rear updates.
That IS an incredible number.

As for Vettel needing a car with a stable rear, he should contact Alonso and ask him how he managed to do so well with cars that didn't suit him.
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