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... Mansell vs Senna, Monaco. Great racing
“Great racing“ shown by Nigel Mansell indeed.

As talented as Ayrton Senna was, I was never a fan of him … had to do with his definition of “sportsmanship“, which, btw, caused me to start loosing interest in F1 … and it was Michael Schuhmacher who brought that interest down to zero in Adelaide in 1994.

However, my loosing interest in F1 had also to do with the decreasing beauty of F1 cars up from the early to mid 90‘s .. a decrease that has obviously not come to a stop. The increasing resemblance of F1 “race tracks“ to enlarged go-kart tracks is not really helping to revive my interest in F1 either.
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Everyone knew, if they didn't make way, Senna would push them off the road or crash into them. Schumacher had something similar.
Still, after Schumi's return, the one time he managed to put the otherwise not yet ready for primetime Mercedes on pole in Monaco, I wish they could have dealt with his starting grid penalty at another race.

In an aside, talking with an ex F1 race mechanic, Mansell was not well liked among the teams. In those days, it wasn't unusual for teams to borrow parts from another. I was told when teams found out the part was for Mansell's car, the answer was usually no.
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I would love to see one of today's drivers try to wrestle this beast..

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Everyone knew, if they didn't make way, Senna would push them off the road or crash into them. Schumacher had something similar. ...
These people would crash into others not only if others didn‘t make way, but also in order to wrest success away from others.

Some of the oldest memories in my life are motorsport related. I grew up watching (and partly being in contact with) F1 people like John Surtees, Graham Hill, Jack Brabham, Bruce McLaren, Jim Clark, Dan Gurney, Dennis Hulme, Jackie Ickx, Jo Siffert, Jochen Rindt, … all real gentlemen who not only had a different understanding of “sportsmanship“, but who also dared to do things which today‘s F1 tow dippers would never dare to do, not even for their … what, thousandfold (?) … income.

F1 is not what it used to be. The driving has turned more & more into framework for big advertising business. Proper & sportsmanlike behavior & style doesn‘t seem to have much market value anymore. These things generally don‘t seem to be part of the Zeitgeist as much anymore, even among people who fill the highest social positions on the planet ... as lately some of them have impressively exhibited.

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These people would crash into others not only if others didn‘t make way, but also in order to wrest success away from others.

Some of the oldest memories in my life are motorsport related. I grew up watching (and partly being in contact with) F1 people like John Surtees, Graham Hill, Jack Brabham, Bruce McLaren, Jim Clark, Dan Gurney, Dennis Hulme, Jackie Ickx, Jo Siffert, Jochen Rindt, … all real gentlemen who not only had a different understanding of “sportsmanship“, but who also dared to do things which today‘s F1 tow dippers would never dare to do, not even for their … what, thousandfold (?) … income.

F1 is not what it used to be. The driving has turned more & more into framework for big advertising business. Proper & sportsmanlike behavior & style doesn‘t seem to have much market value anymore. These things generally don‘t seem to be part of the Zeitgeist as much anymore, even among people who fill the highest social positions on the planet ... as lately some of them have impressively exhibited.

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There must be telepathy at work here …
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Just came across this computer-generated video which is supposed to show the 1967 F1-GP in Spa-Francorchamps, the only F1 race won by Dan Gurney. It‘s not a realistic display of that race, but I must say that this video does show quite realistically what the Spa-Francorchamps circuit, including houses & scenery, looked like at that time. However, there where a lot more spectators everywhere along the circuit than shown in that video.

At 1:42 - 1:58 it shows the super fast “Masta Straight“, followed by the “Masta Kink“ (1:58 - 2:02), which is followed by the also very fast “Holowell Straight“. At ~1:52 is where during practice of the 1000 km races in 1970 & ‘71 the Porsche 917‘s were measured at speeds of 240+ mph, which I watched in ‘71 from that slight elevation on the left side there.

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... At ~1:52 is where during practice of the 1000 km races in 1970 & ‘71 the Porsche 917‘s were measured at speeds of 240+ mph, which I watched in ‘71 from that slight elevation on the left side there.
Here‘s a video of this year‘s “Spa Classic“ in Francorchamps 6 weeks ago … with the Porsche 917 of Vic Elford & Richard Attwood from 1969 (modified to short-tail version & painted in the Gulf colors) participating.

IMO … and you can call me old-fashioned … the 917K is still one of the most beautiful race cars ever built … and since I heard it for the first time 50 years ago (at real racing speeds) its unique air-cooled flat-12 sound has never left my memory. …

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+ 1 gorgeous car


Video below, skip through the ridiculous animation from minute 1:30 - 6:27, 6:50 - 8:10, and 11:37 - 14:00.
The rest is quite enjoyable. Seeing James May inside the 917 shows how small the car really is.

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