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DENSION GATEWAY 500 for MOST – MENUS in COMAND

What follows below addresses the Dension Firmware 1.0x menu operation. Because of receipt of many PMs regarding the newer firmware 2.0x menus - a major overhaul of the firmware - I have posted new information at https://www.benzworld.org/forums/audi...ml#post2596107. If you are using FW 2.0x, you might want to skip this and go to the newer post.

The following guide is intended to supplement the Gateway 500 for MOST bus User’s Manual when used with COMAND. The Dension User’s Manual covers several brands of cars, including Mercedes, and of course each brand not only differs, but different varieties of head units are used in different models even within the same brand. As a result, the Dension User’s Manual is not specific to any car, and learning to use the Gateway 500 menus with COMAND is not intuitive. While this guide does not cover all possible options in the menus, hopefully it gets one far enough along to enjoy the iPod integration, and advances understanding of the menus. This guide also does not cover many of the items discussed in the User’s Manual or Installation Guide for accessing the Gateway 500 vice the CD Changer, or for initial setup procedures for the Gateway 500. For that information, see the forum posts at Gateway 500 for MOST – Good Unit, Poor Documentation - MBWorld.org Forums and at https://www.benzworld.org/forums/show...86#post2376586.

I regret that I do not know enough about head units other than COMAND such as Audio 50, etc. and I cannot answer questions about them. I understand that the menus function similarly on D2B COMANDs, except that song titles do not display. However, I am not familiar with the Gateway 500 menu displays on D2B COMANDs; I hope that D2B COMAND users will point out similarities and differences.

The COMAND display background colors in the pictures that follow have nothing to do with the Dension menus, or the particular menu selected. They were the result of different lighting conditions when I took the photos over several days.

The Photo below shows the top level of the Dension User Interface (UI).

The Dension User Interface (UI) top level is selected by first selecting CD Changer in the Audio menu of COMAND, and pushing button #6 to the right of the COMAND display; or by pressing the “CD Mag” soft key until it shows. If one is already in the Dension UI, but this level is not displayed, one can also scroll to it using the < or > command keys on either side of the “OK” button.

The Dension UI top level allows selection of the first four playlists on the iPod; allows one to show all songs on the iPod (this is not the iPod UI, addressed later) by selecting #5 (either by scrolling or by pressing button 5); or to go to the second level of the Dension UI by selecting “Menu” (button 6).

Access to playlists after the first four in the Dension UI is through the Browser function.

Selecting #5 from this menu will display the first few song names recorded to the iPod, Song titles will be displayed on the COMAND screen, and track numbers (limited to 2 digits) are shown on the instrument cluster display. This selection will allow scrolling with the steering wheel buttons and COMAND controls. However, playlists, albums, etc are not accessible – only songs.
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Using Playlists in the Dension Menu

The second level of the Dension UI (first photo below), the Browser function, is brought up by selecting #6 either on the keypad or by scrolling to it and selecting “OK.” It is used to access a number of listing options, including playlists (all), artists, albums, genres, and the like. At the initial level of the browser, the first eight options appear in brackets [...], and correspond to the same options on the iPod standard menus.

To load the desired item, scroll to the desired bracketed item (a bracketed item is a folder or playlist) using the up/down arrows on the COMAND keypad or by using the “Seek+” and “-Seek” keys at the bottom of the buttons to the left to the display, until the desired bracketed item is highlighted ([Artists] in the first picture below). Now, here is a useful hint: To load the items, according to the Dension instructions, you use the Fast Forward key. On COMAND, there is no Fast Forward key marked as such. The function is achieved by pressing and holding the “Seek+” key for at least 2 seconds.

The “Seek+” key is also used to choose certain other options such as “+Paging” and battery charging. These options are reached by scrolling past the first eight bracketed iPod items (however, I had best results in selecting the "+Paging" option by reaching it through the selector switch cycling described in the installation manual). The “-Seek” key is used to remove a prior selection. Be sure to hold the key in for two seconds when programming a selection.

When loading of a bracketed item is selected, a “Loading” advisory will appear briefly onscreen. If there are too many items in a playlist, artist list, etc. a bracketed [<SEARCH>] will appear; selecting this will result in a list of alphanumerics which, when selected, will give a listing of items sorted under that character.

The second photo below shows the selections that result after choosing [Playlists] in the browser, using the “Seek+” key. It is the second level of the Browser.

Please also note that because of extensive experimentation with the menus and taking photos over several says, selections (highlighted items) will not necessarily track. For example, while the folder [Artists] is highlighted, the selection made to display the next photo was [Playlists]; and while the playlist "Beethoven Symphonies" is highlighted, the selections in the photos following were made from a playlist named "Beydrich Smetana."

Selecting the iPod folder name starts playing all songs on the iPod. Using that choice from here results in song titles being displayed. However, this does not initiate the “iPod UI.” Control of the iPod is still through the Dension menus and from the steering wheel and COMAND from this selection. Scrolling of songs is from the first recorded (or the last song being played when starting this sequence), following the order of song titles as listed in the music library on the iPod.

Selecting a playlist will list the songs in the playlist, each with a period in front of the song title. Selecting a song with the “Seek+” button starts the selected song, with its title displayed on COMAND (the period in front of the title disappears once it begins to play); and the iPod is directed to the playlist containing that song. Further scrolling and selection of songs thereafter, songs may be by COMAND or the steering wheel controls.. They are displayed three at a time until a selection is made. Not making a selection within 30 seconds results in resumption of the selection made before initiating the sequence.

When displaying songs in a playlist, my COMAND displays about 50 per page (3 at a time), before switching to a new page - which requires a brief loading.

The third photo below shows the way in which a song is displayed after loading of a playlist is complete. Note the period before the title. Selecting the song title (again using “Seek+) will begin play with that song, and result in the next menu screen. I chose The Moldau; the next screen resulted.

The fourth photo shows the Dension UI while playing song. Note that after one selects the song to begin playing in the browser, the song title is displayed without a period, and the top caption in the menu changes from “Menu” to the iPod’s name. If scrolling is begun after a song begins, three titles at a time will be displayed onscreen.

In the browser, if one scrolls to the end of the list, several items appear without being in brackets. See the fifth photo. Selecting “.AlbumPlay” while a song is playing will play all of the songs from the same album.

If one selects “.Access iPod UI” from this point (last photo, below), control of the music (sorting, selection) reverts to the iPod controls; the COMAND display shows only Track number (to two digits), and all sorting and song selections are done on the iPod display – except that the COMAND buttons #1 through 6 will add certain functions such as seek, change repeat mode, previous/next playlist, previous/next album, and return to the Dension UI as explained in the User’s Manual. Post #3 below discusses the iPod UI in greater detail.

Selecting [Charge] brings up charging options for no charge (”Off”), charging only while the head unit is on, and continuing charging for 2 hours after the head unit is off (“.+2”). However, I have had problems getting the"+Paging" instruction to “take” from the [Config] folder in this menu, and it bears repeating that I have had better luck using the rapid repositioning of the selector switch (3 up, 3 down in rapid succession) as described in the Dension manuals.
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The iPod UI on COMAND

The first photo below is the screen that results from choosing “.Access iPod UI” iPod from the browser (last photo, preceding post). Note that entering the iPod UI this way results in no display of song title. The iPod screen must be used to determine ID information, as well as song sorting. Control of the iPod is by using the iPod controls.

From the iPod UI menu in the first photo below, pressing the “CD-Mag” button will bring up the screen in the second photo below.

The first four items in the second photo seem to have no noticeable function. However, selecting item 5 returns one to the previous menu in the iPod UI.

One reverts to the Dension UI by pressing keypad button #6 or by scrolling using the > button on COMAND (after which it will read “Menu” at the top of the screen) and selecting it using “OK.” After returning to the Dension menu, control of the iPod shifts back to COMAND and the steering wheel.

Note item 4 in the second photo below. Repeat/random and other playback options are controlled on the COMAND “Settings” menu (the Settings” soft key shown in every menu photo above). With Firmware version 1.05, I have noticed that if my car is left off for a long time (such as overnight), the iPod may start with the very first song on the iPod; and it defaults to “Repeat” playlist in the Settings. It must be changed back manually. Firmware version 2.0 is likely to address these. The iPod should start up playing the last song underway when the car was turned off – which mine does if the car is shut down for only a few hours or less.
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Dension Displays on iPod Screen

If the Dension UI was previously selected, and when ignition is turned on with COMAND on, the iPod will display a “do not drive while distracted” screen. Next, the iPod will display a check mark and an “OK to disconnect” at the bottom (first photo). It will then change to an intermediate screen that displays the firmware version number, and finally the Dension UI menu (second photo).

If the iPod fails to complete its initialization process (mine sometimes gets hung up switching from the checkmark screen to the next one; the screen blinks and the checkmark screen reappears), all that may be necessary is disconnecting the iPod and resetting the iPod menus (not the Gateway 500). On my G4 iPod, this is done by simultaneously pressing and holding the “Menu” selection on the click wheel and the center button, until the iPod resets. Reset may take several seconds. Different iPods may have different reset procedures. Then, reconnect the iPod (the ignition need not be switched off). If that does not clear the problem, see the Trouble section in the User’s Manual.

NOTE: When my iPod hung up on the checkmark screen, the Gateway 500 did not recognize it. I had no thumb drive or other USB device inserted; therefore, the display defaulted to the AUX input. This simply showed “AUX” at the top of the COMAND display. From this display, pressing the “CD-Mag” soft key brought up a six-line item menu; numbers 1 through 5 had blanks; and item 6 was AUX. I suspect that if I had inserted a USB device, it would show on this menu as well.

The USB input will utilize menus that work similarly to the iPod menus, including use of browsers, if the music is organized into folders or playlists. In addition, a thumb drive is used to perform firmware updates on the Gateway 500.

Once music selection has been made, the iPod will display the song title, artist, and album on its screen, while the COMAND display shows song title (only the first line of the iPod display).
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UPDATE

Dension has released firmware version 2.02 for the Gateway 500, for both the D2B and MOST versions. It is a significant update that makes the menu functions far easier to use because it is much more logical. In addition, the user manual has been updated; the firmware update is available at Dension Support Center (Thanks, GW500) and the user manual is available at Dension - Support. The firmware download page indicates that FW 1.0x (which would include 1.05 and its menu functions discussed above) is no longer supported, and indeed the FW 1.05 page has been taken down on the Dension Support Center site. With the update of the user manual, the documentation just got much better - though the installation guide has not yet been changed.

I downloaded the update to my desktop, and copied the G5_B UPD.ROM file to the root level of a USB thumb drive, as instructed. The "root" level simply means the file should not be in any folder; you do not copy the update folder nor do you place the file in any other folder. The instructions for the update are clear, so I will not repeat them - it worked exactly as advertised. I left my iPod connected during the process, and when the update was complete the iPod screen blinked, it restarted, and the final startup menu showed the new firmware version. The light on the thumb drive also went out.

After the update loaded, per the instructions, I shut down the car, including COMAND, and re-started. I used the mode selector switch to reset "+Paging" and could see many of the changes right away. On the intitial startup, and after setting "+Paging" the song I had selected to play showed its title on COMAND; however, when scrolling in the playlist, the next song would come up with the Track number, then switch to the title. When I shut the COMAND down the second time and re-started, that did not happen - all song titles appeared in the playlists during scrolling.

The following discussion relates to the iPod.

Two bugs in version 1.0x firmware have apparently been fixed. First, the track sequence (normal, random, mixed, etc) settings are now retained after the car has been off overnight. Second, the iPod begins playing the song being played when the car was shut down (sometimes under FW 1.0x it would revert to a different song, usually the first one in the music library).

There is a significant change in the use of COMAND buttons 1-4. They are no longer the first four playlists on the iPod. In the Dension interface they are now 1) "Scan Playlist" (use Fast Forward, i.e. "Seek+" on COMAND - for 2 seconds to begin playing); 2) is "Scan Artist" (same begin play steps); 3) is "Scan Album" (same begin play steps); and 4) is not used.

Button 5 no longer selects the iPod UI; it is a "parking" for instructions (the CD shown on the instrument cluster will be CD 5) and "Play all." Button 6, as before, selects the menu function in the Dension UI. However, the Dension UI menu has been improved.

The selection of input sources, playlists, artists, and albums is far simpler, not only because of the changed button functions, but also within the Dension menu itself. When reaching choices of selections on the Dension menu, one can navigate far more easily to AUX, USB, the iPod UI, playlists, artists, and albums. Playlists, artists, and album selections are no longer shown in brackets, but have a ">" to the left to designate them. If the list of songs, artists, or albums is long, the selection feature of the browser comes up, breaking the possible selections into alphabetical groups - making navigation in the menus faster.

In all, Firmware 2.02 is a significant improvement in ease of use. The supplemental features to the iPod interface have also been improved somewhat. In addition, the new user manual is much clearer than its predecessors; because it describes the new interface very well, I will likely not update this post with more screen shots.

The new user manual indicates that a new circuit board will be available - hardware version V1R1X, which includes capability to add accessories for the following functions: iPod video output; music playback for mp3 cell phones and ability to respond to calls on such phones (my guess is that it does not replace the need for separate Bluetooth equipment, but simply provides the ability to switch between music playback and talking on such a phone). The new hardware version also permits use of an accessory to allow audio from a portable navigation device to be selected and fed to the car's audio system (I believe it would be handled much the way the car's audio system would handle a built-in nav system). The latter capability is still under development.

My particular hardware version (V2R1, purchased in mid-May 2007) does not have those capabilities, so I cannot explore them. NOTE: GW500, a Gateway 500 developer, has corrected this immediately below; the older boards can indeed use the expanded capabilities.

ADDITIONAL UPDATE:

One additional difference I noticed between firmware 1.05 and 2.02 is that the menu choices for charging the iPod are gone in 2.02. GW500 confirmed in a PM that they were indeed not a part of FW 2.02. He said that the feature was included for batteries in older iPods, but that the G4 and newer iPod batteries (which are of different technology) did not require the charging 2 hours after shutting down the car. The default setting for FW 2.02 is to charge while the head unit is on. He did hold out the possibility - no more - that the feature could return in a later firmware update.

He also suggested a workaround - setting the charging through the USB menu. I tried, but with only a thumb drive to connect, the option did not appear there either.

Further communication from Dension indicated that the option of charging 2 hours after the car was shut down caused some MOST systems not to shut down at all, discharging the car's battery.

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The new user manual indicates that a new circuit board will be available - hardware version V1R1X, which includes capability to add accessories for the following functions: iPod video output; music playback for mp3 cell phones and ability to respond to calls on such phones (my guess is that it does not replace the need for separate Bluetooth equipment, but simply provides the ability to switch between music playback and talking on such a phone). The new hardware version also permits use of an accessory to allow audio from a portable navigation device to be selected and fed to the car's audio system (I believe it would be handled much the way the car's audio system would handle a built-in nav system). The latter capability is still under development.

My particular hardware version (V2R1, purchased in mid-May 2007) does not have those capabilities, so I cannot explore them.
I hope all of you will benefit from the new functions!

The User Manual which can be downloaded now, will be corrected soon. E.g. all of the already sold panels (V1R4 & V2R1) have the possibility to connect video and Bluetooth etc. extensions!
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Thank you for the update, GW500 - and thanks for the effort (and success) with the new 2.02 firmware. Much nicer!

The ability to expand the GW 500 is intriguing - glad the older units can take advantage!

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Thx so much Skylaw for your very comprehensive post. I learned a lot from your orignal post (pre-v.2.02) it, and your post was a good anchor for me in my efforts to get gateway 500 to work for me.

I just installed the new firmware, and can also recognize the changes you describe.

However I am frustrated about not seeing artist name of the song playing. instead I have "iPod" on top of the screen now, where it previously was the artist name.
My Comand Aps screen only shows 2 lines of text: One at the top and one in the middle of the screen. Before v.2.02 it showed artist name on top and current song title in the middle. Now it shows something like "iPod" on top and song title in the middle.

The top line info on "iPod" seems irrelevant for me, as I only use iPod with my gateway, so it would be really nice if I could get it to show me artist name instead.

Have you notices this change as well, and if you have, - do you know a way around it?

One more question (if you dont mind...): Seeing your photos make me wonder about my setup, since I only have one textline per screen, and your photos show that you have several lines in your screen (eg: artists, playlists etc)

Do you have a clue about how i could get the same amount of textlines?

I think we have more or less the same Comand. My car is a E-class, and with latest Comand Aps in it.

Thanks a lot - I have been so greatful for your comprehensive post.

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Xstatic,

Apparently you are in Denmark, and therefore you likely have a Euro spec COMAND. It does differ from the U.S. specification. I do know that the Gateway 500 has different appearances on different manufacturers' displays. One correspondent posted pictures of his Audi display, which showed much more information than our COMANDs do. The differences in Euro spec and U.S. spec may explain the differences you and I had under FW 1.05.

I have never had the artist's name at the top while the song title was in the center of the screen. The first line on my screen, when a song was displayed, was always the menu or function I was in. I'd like to have more of the info from the iPod screen, but it just didn't work that way in either FW 1.05 or 2.02.

The multiple lines appear when I was in particular menus for the unit, as I explained with the photos. They also appeared when I chose the 'playlist" "artist" or "album" folders. Once I selected a playlist, three song titles would show (with a period before the name of each), until I selected one and it started to play.

After I had started the first song I wanted to play in a playlist, only the one individual song name showed in the middle (and usually "menu" "Warren's iPod" or "IPod UI" would show at the top of the screen. When I scrolled through a playlist after starting play of any song, three song titles would appear until I selected one of them. Then it reverted to one being displayed.

In FW 2.02, the top line of my screen displays the input device ; i.e., "Aux" "USB" "PND" or other; or, if the iPod is the selected device, then User Interface choice shows at the top - "iPod: iPOD UI," meaning I am using the iPod itself to control; or "iPod: Warren's iPod," meaning I am in the Dension UI using COMAND and the steering wheel to control the iPod. Those are true for the first line regardless of whether I have been sorting by playlist, album, or artist.

The mid-screen line simply displays the song title. If there is a way to make it do something else, I don't know what it would be. But, I'm still playing with it (but finishing the hurricane proofing of my house is taking priority right now).

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Skylaw,
thx. Was of course hoping for another kind of answer that was about me having set it up wrong, so I could get both artist info and multiple lines in the screen in menus ;-)

With my 5000+ songs in the library it would be a help to get to see 3 songs per screen when scrolling through them, instead of 1 per screen...

It makes sense though, that it could be because of Europe vs US specs.

Anyway I am really happy about the gateway. I had the MB iPod kit before and threw it away because of really poor audio quality. This gateway gives me much more dynamic, clearer - almost transparent sound compared to the original.

If you do manage to find creative workarounds, I trust you will post them.
But can only support you in your priority of hurricane proofing rather than experimenting with gateway 500 :-)
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