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W124 / C124 - wheel & tire assistance

I am seeking assistance with tire rub on my 1991 300CE.
I also own a 1989 300E, and 2002 E320W4.

Years ago, I upgraded the 15" wheels on my 1989 300E to 16" MB wheels from a W210 E-Class. The tires were 205/55/R16, which I believe were likely correct size for an early SLK. My 1989 300E was stolen, and I recently upgraded the wheels on my 1991 300CE. I took 16" MB wheels from my W210 E-Class, which had correct 215/55/R16 tires for a W210 E-Class. I mounted the wheels and tires onto the 300CE ... all looked fine. However, after driving it around the block a few times, it looks as though the FRONT tires are rubbing against the inner wheel well area on the upper portion of the OEM lower body cladding (see red highlights), but only when the wheels/tires are turned. I had no issues with the 1989 300E (though it did not have any body cladding).

If I am correct, I believe the 215/55/R16 tires (on the 300CE) are about 0.40" wider than 205/55/R16 (on the 300E). That additional width, combined with the introduction of the body cladding in the wheel opening seems to be causing the rub. HERE'S MY QUESTION ... does anyone else have past experience using OEM 16" MB wheels on a W124 / C124? If so, would the narrower 205/55/R16 tires rub the lower body cladding on a W124 with body cladding?

Thank you for your time and assistance.
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W124 / C124 - wheel & tire assistance

Know your offsets. These look like either the offset is too low or you have put on tires that are too tall, too wide, or all three of the above.

Take note, 215/55/16 are not only wider, but also taller than 205/55/16. 55% of 215 is a larger sidewall than 55% of 205.

Let's see if we can find that wheel catalog of you can't get the offset or part number off the wheels.

Then let's see if we can find the chart of what's known to fit the w124 models.

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Or just get a piece of wood and hammer that metal out of the way.

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Know your offsets. These look like either the offset is too low or you have put on tires that are too tall, too wide, or all three of the above.

Take note, 215/55/16 are not only wider, but also taller than 205/55/16. 55% of 215 is a larger sidewall than 55% of 205.

Let's see if we can find that wheel catalog of you can't get the offset or part number off the wheels.

Then let's see if we can find the chart of what's known to fit the w124 models.

Thanks for your response. The wheels are "10 hole" wheels from a 1997 - 1999 E320. 2000 - 2002 E-Class wheels are "11 hole." I have a 15" spare, so I will have to remove a wheel to check the casting number (will take pics).

The lower body cladding is plastic / polymer, and I'd rather not modify it. I mentioned the cladding, as I believe it intrudes into the wheel well opening to some degree (based upon my memory of my 1989 300E, sans cladding).

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See if you can find your wheel in this catalog if you can't get the specs off the back of the wheel.
https://ragtop.org/mbbrochures/2006/wheels.pdf

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Correct offset for a 7" wheel is ET41-44 Minimum diameter is 15"
Correct offset for an 8" wheel is ET34-35 The factory wheel most commonly aligned with this is a 15-hole "evo" rim commonly associated with 201036 and 124036 series 1.
Correct minimum diameter to clear 4 piston front callipers is 16" (24v)

Larger diameter wheels were available ex-factory on specific models, notably the 500E /E500 17x8.25 ET34 6 spoke wheel, which again was also offered on 201036 evo 2 as well.


Fitting 8" wide rims (such as AMG flat disk aero styling 1)with offsets less than ET34 requires specific body modification as listed in WIS document 40.01 Conversion to 235/45 R 17 tyres and 8 J x 17 H 2 ET 28 disk wheel.
This involves more than spacing the guards and rolling lips. It also involves inner wheel tub modifications on the front tubs, as well as sheet metal alterations on the rear arch and quarter panel.

a correct offset 16" rim with a 225/50ZR16 tyre should not interfere with sheetmetal, but if lowering the vehicle, then consider at least performing the factory front guard lip modifications and spacing as per the above document.

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Cool bigger wheels for my w124

hi, i have a 1989 300ce, it has 15" wheels, original, but i want to change them for some bigger ones, what do you say? whats the best size of wheel and tire thinking about performance and style?
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