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W220 S430, S500 And S55 Engine removal W/O 4MATIC

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#1 ·
Since I had the joys of removing my engine on my 2003 S55 I thought I would make a post on what is involved. This procedure should be the same for an S430, S500 and the S55. The 4MATIC might be different but at least it is a rough idea.

So since I was doing this on my back and my car died before I could move it to where I wanted it I had to make lemon aide out lemons.

So here is what I did

Before my car died I knew I was going to remove the engine to fix a coolant leak between front timing cover and cylinder block.

Before even getting into removing any parts, covers, bolts or anything I bought a box of Zip Lock bags, a good set of torx sockets(both internal and external) cheap ones will cause more problems then good, a strong suction pump, brake clean none chlorinated (this way parts will not be spotty if looks are important to you), permanent markers, duct tape, drain pans, absorb all, a good light, new gas can (to collect ABC/power steering fluid), a few boxes various sizes, rags, hand cleaner, gloves, empty jugs and zip ties. I had the car ramps, 2x4 and wheel blocks. Make sure where you willing be doing this job is clean and well lit.
One thing I found very handy is my cell phone. I recommend taking pictures of things to remember where a part goes. If your phone does not take pictures grab a cheap point and shoot from Craigslist or any source.

Having access to WIS is very helpful but not a 100% necessary.

First raise the front of the car and put parking brake on and a piece of wood(or some other item behind the wheel I used sand bags for light stands). Since I have ABC suspension I placed two pieces of 2x4 on top of the upper control arm and zip tied them in. Place the 2x4 with the 4 inch side up. This way my suspension will not drop to the bottom. AIRMATIC might be a good idea as well. I just did not want to put strand on the engine when I try to start for the first time.

Put car in neutral. I found on WIS that the key must stay in the EIS when battery is disconnected and Keyless Go card must be out of range.

Remove the negative battery cable, then remove positive battery cable. Make sure they will not come in contact with the battery posts. I tucked mine down each side.

Then prop trunk to keep from closing (if storing car out side after removing engine you might not want to do this) I did this because I have heard horror stories of people not being able to get into the trunk when the battery is dead. So I figure why chance it

Remove all upper engine cover, air ducting and air filter boxes. You will be surprised how much room you have.

Remove all the lower engine covers. Take all bolts and place them in a Zip Lock bag, use the marker and write on them what they are for (I actually did this for each panel). Do this for every set of bolts you removed (lower oil pan, valve cover left/right and so on)

Once lower panels/upper engine cover and air filter box are off I went for the electrical disconnections. Since there was no power supply I started at the fuse box on the right hand side of the car. Remove the lid of the fuse box. You will see the ECU. Follow the harness coming from the engine through the fire wall and into the fuse box. It is very obvious which connection need to be disconnected. Start with the plug closest to the passenger compartment and work you way forward. I will supply pictures from WIS to show which plugs to disconnect and a picture of my car empty slots. There is one wire that runs to a fuse. This was the first thing I took a picture of it as I knew I would not remember it. Then fish the harness back to the engine try not to bend it too much. Just let it rest on the top of supercharger or manifold. My harness was held in with zip ties to the firewall none reusable type (cut them off making sure not to cut into the harness) Then disconnect the O2 sensors from the harness. This is it for now there is a couple other electrical plugs that I tackled as I was working on the unit to which they belong.

On the right side of the car you will find a small heat shield right about where the coolant line is on the transmission remove that and you will find an electrical connection one with a 10mm head nut and one with a 13mm nut remove these as this for the starter and alternator. When I first looked at removing the wire connections at the starter I was like how am I going to get access to these. This is 90% of the electrical disconnected.

So while under the car I unbolted all the lower parts (bell housing bolts, torque convertor bolts, exhaust and lower engine mount bolts) The torque convertor bolts are accessible from the engine side via a plastic cover about 2 inches wide by 3 or 4 inches in height. It just pulls out. Very important to get to all the torque convertor bolts you must spin the engine make sure you only turn the engine in the direction of rotation when running. Which is clockwise, this is important because if you go the wrong way the timing chain can bind or jump. There are 6 torque convertor bolts. I Zip Lock bagged the lower bel housing bolt separate from the top. The right side exhaust manifold can be tricky to remove the bolts more of the inside one (I ran into issues and had to cut the bolt). Unbolt the AC compressor as it will just rest in the sub frame and there is no need to drain the system. You must remove the support the runs from the block to the tandem pump as one AC line runs between it and the block. There are only 3 bolts that hold the AC compressor on two at the rear one at the front. The two long bolts will not come out of the compressor till the engine is out. Disconnect the AC compressor electrical connection.


So with everything unbolted and lower wiring harness disconnected it is time to move up top. Before you do place a small jack with a piece of wood at the bell housing of the transmission. Jack the jack till just applies pressure to the transmission.

Tandem pump needs to be drained or the supply hosed clamped off, I went with the drained hence the suction pump and new small gas can. I bought a cheap pump that is used to syphon liquids off. A hose with a squeeze pump. It would not pull the ABC/power steering fluid up more then a inch. I thought it would pull it up and syphon the fluid into the gas can. It did not so I had to clamp off the hoses which did not work out as well as I would have liked. I used small vise grips and the fluid still leaked pass them. You need a new clean plastic container for the ABC/power steering fluid as there cannot be any contaminates in the fluid if you want to reuse. When working around the tandem pump there are three things to remember clean, clean and clean. I sprayed around all fittings with brake cleaner, the used a rag to wipe around everything, sprayed brake cleaner again and wiped did this till there was no signs of grime. Now with all fittings clean either syphon off fluid or clamp hoses. Grab zip lock bags and zip ties. Remove supply lines then I removed the tanks just because there is more room and I want to clean them and flush them out. I removed the return lines to the tanks again these lines were cleaned 100%. I zip tied zip lock bags to each line coming and going to the tank. With the tank out of the way remove the ground wire from the pump to the body and the pressure sensor electrical connection. Now remove the high-pressure lines form the pump. Again use zip ties and zip lock bags to cover ends of lines. Once engine is out you can go back and use something different to seal if you prefer. I dropped a couple of the copper washers for the high pressure lines, I was not worried as they will be replaced anyway just remember two per line.

Left side of the car is done, underneath is done, right side is done, ABC/power steering is drained so now to work on the front.

Drain the coolant. I used the drain tap (left side of car) and a hose to drain the radiator and once it was just dripping a bit I closed off the valve and drained pan. I had two pans. I was not going to use the coolant again as it had dye in it to find my coolant leak so I transferred the coolant to empty jugs I had saved up for this job. Then dispose of the coolant properly. So with the coolant system drained but not completely I placed a catch pan under the lower rad hose at the block removed it and placed the other pan under the radiator drain and open it. I let the coolant drain over night.

So now the coolant is drained now it is time to unbolt the upper bell housing bolts. Remove them and bag/ label
The fan shroud needs to come out. There are two bolts up top and two locating tabs at the bottom. You need to disconnect the wire connection to the fan motor. I had to remove the upper transmission coolant line to get the fan assembly out. It was a bit of a pain but it came out.

So everything is unbolted disconnected and you are almost ready to remove the engine. Find a thin piece if plywood, sheet metal, foam board, a few pieces of cardboard to cover the rad. Just incase the engine hits it. I did not even come close to thread when removing the engine.

Time to put the chains on the mounting points. The engine has two at the rear of the engine and I used one of the M12 threaded holes on the top of the supercharger. I kept the chain relatively tight to the engine. I also had the adjustable engine chain lift, which I did not use. Lift engine a little bit. Now go and lift the jack you placed under transmission to keep everything in line lift engine again till out of the mounts. Lift transmission as again to keep everything aligned. Once engine is free from mounts you will see the gap in between the engine in and transmission use a pry bar to separate them. Pay careful attention to the front of the engine and if the torque convertor is coming with the engine. If torque convertor is coming gently pry the convertor away from flex plate. As soon as there is room slide torque convertor back into transmission be very careful as you can damage pump seals etc. With the engine free from the transmission move all your attention to the front of the engine and the rad. I was doing this by myself so I was lifting the engine very slowly. There is really a lot of room between the engine and rad. Lift engine till it clears the rad support. Once cleared roll engine hoist back to clear body then lower engine to a safe height. You are done. Now prep engine to go on engine stand or what you are planning to use. A note when bolting engine to engine stand make sure you do not bolt the stand to the oil pan if you are removing the oil pan. So look for separation point between engine and oil pan. If you did bolt the engine stand to oil pan you could risk damaging threads in the block if you let the engine hang on two bolts while you move the arms up from pan

Some notes on why I did things in this order. I left draining of coolant to the last as if it spilled I di not want to be dealing with cleaning it up before I could unbolt disconnect anything under the car. I did all the under the car things at once because the car was not up that high and I did not want to keep going in and out form under the car. With not being that high my engine hoist easily clear the body.

I left the transmission in for two reason when car died I could not get the back of the car lifted and I really did not want the extra work of dropping exhaust, disconnecting drive shaft, transmission connections and so on. The engine came out very well without the transmission. Yes if I just need to repair engine I would leave the transmission in. Would I do this again if I had to yes. It would be actually a pretty decent job with a hoist (car lift) or the car higher. Hoist (car lift) would be ideal and figure you could have the engine out with in about 3-4 hours at a, none rushed pace.
One thing to remember is not to rush and take pictures if you are not sure you will remember. I had to disassemble my engine so I used duct tape to label every electronic connection from each coil pack to every sensor. Would rather have some glue residue to deal with then have no idea where a connector goes

For the build up of the engine I am going to buy a point and shoot camera or a D5200 to take pictures of the procedure. My issue with taking pictures are my cameras are worth more then both of my cars put together.

Same as the install I will have many more pictures and possible video.

I just figured I would post this to show it is not that bad of a job and is completely doable with normal hand tools. Also with many of the W220 getting up there in mileage I thought there might be a few members needing an engine swap.

Anyway if this helps anyone great.

Once again I would like to thank all the members that helped me with this project(right enough it is not completed yet it still needs build and installed), the stickies( a great source of info) and the forum in general.

If I missed anything please jump in and ad to this thread
Once again thanks everyone for the help and all your patients with me on this S55






View attachment Disconnecting, connecting engine wiring harness.pdf
 
#3 ·
Scott,

I am not certain of the details on the W220, but on most cars, the torque converter drives the transmission front pump thru tangs in the tube (the one that sticks into the transmission) going into notches in the pump gear. When you put the converter back into the transmission, make very certain that the tangs register correctly in the pump notches. It is possible (not easy, but possible) to install the engine with the driving tangs on top of the gear instead of inserted into the gear. Instant damage...
 
#6 ·
Guys,

You have me a bit worried about replacing the engine on my S500 and messing up my transmission... I bought a "good" junk yard engine and need to install it in my car in the next few days. Can I please get more detail about what you mean about installing the torque converter correctly?

Thanks!

P
 
#7 ·
Hello everyone,
I am new to the forum and I have a question for Schalmers or anyone who can assist. I have a 2000 S430 that I want to have the engine taken out of and put into a 2003 S430. The reason is the 2000 S430's EIS system doesnt work as well as the air suspension doesnt work as well but the engine works great! The 2003 I purchased has a blown engine but starts (runs really bad and leaks oil) and the air suspension has been converted. The 2003 body and interior is in better shape as well.

My question is since there is a 3 year difference in the 2 vehicles, will there be any issues with the swap and is there any special things that needs to be done other than the swapping of the 2 engines?
 
#8 ·
Hi
The engine should be the same, will drop right in. You do not need to remove the AC condenser so your AC will stay charged. Just remove the AC compressor from the engine and let it sit on the frame. The hood can stay on, the wiring harness is unplugged from the fuse box and then from the underside of the car right side(just follow the wiring harness from the back of the engine and from the starter you will find the location to disconnect.

If you have all the right tools not a bad job. Working on your back under the car can be a pain.

If you have any mechanical experience doing the swap so not take too long.

Cheers
Scott
 
#9 ·
Thank you for your response. The good thing about doing this is we will have use of a lift as a buddy of mine has a shop.
As it relates to any electronics, will the electronic systems that's in the 2003 S430 power up the engine and everything or will we have to pull anything from the 2000 S430?
 
#10 ·
Hi
If it were me I would remove the engine from the donor car. Use all the electronics from the car you are planning on driving.
If you notice the alternator/starter looks new on the bad engine use them other wise just remove the complete engine from the donor and it will plug in to the computers in the good car.
All the sensors on the donor car's engine will be the same. You could swap them out but a pain
Hope this helps
 
#12 ·
Hey
No problem always glad to help
Since you have a hoist and a shop this should be a walk in the park. Leaving the hood on and not evacuating the AC is a great thing with these cars. Remember this body is also meant to take a V12.
Remove the rad with fan, take the exhaust down pipes off at the manifold(leave manifolds on engine). Wiring to fuse box, AC wire, if you have ABC that wire and starter alternator wire. Three torque convertor bolts, two motor mount bolts, bell housing bolts, support the transmission(what I did was get three wrecking bars and used that to support the transmission
There are slots in the frame. Run a bar from the shot in the frame to the front suspension on each side then put the third bar across then right at the bell housing, kind of like an "A" It will make sense once you see the bottom of the car.
I had my engine out pretty quick with out a lift and crawling under the car so with a lift and the use of shop tool this will be a lot easier. Take your time and make sure everything get disconnected.

I think it was 2.5-3 hours and mine was out. installing you really need a extra set of hands
 
#13 ·
There will be 3 people doing this transition. I will make sure I print this information out and we all will be briefed on what you have laid out here for us. Unfortunately the donor cars suspension is out and does not work since the EIS doesnt respond at all so we will have to figure a way to get it at least high enough to get the lift arms under it.
 
#14 ·
Raise the wheel and place a block of wood between the body and the control arm. People have limped their cars home like this. There is a post something like $8.00 suspension, Home Depot(all this is in the thread that started it
He used zip ties to hold it in place. I actually blocked all my suspension when I pulled my engine as I did not know how long it was going to be out. My car sat 8 months with the engine out just time, sourcing parts and so on.

Found the thread http://www.benzworld.org/forums/w220-s-class/1547183-how-fix-w220-airmatic-strut-6-a.html

If you do not want to do this you can try putting air into the airline running to the valve body for the suspension might lift it but you need away to seal the line once every thing is inflated. Also you could pop every strut.
 
#16 ·
Before you junk the donor car grab all usable parts! Suspension compressor(can be rebuilt) switches, rims if you need a set for snows, there are so many parts that will fit.
Do not bother keeping mirrors as they are different, radio and taillights(yes they will fit but the 2003 are much nicer.
You can sell a lot of parts on eBay there are always people looking for parts. You will have to sell a bit cheaper as you more then likely will not be offering a warranty.
Might help take a bite out of the cost of the donor car. People buy from this forum as well.
With 3 people and if anyone has actually did an engine swap it could be done in a day
 
#17 ·
I have already starting parting it out. I plan to keep some parts for myself in case I need them as well as sell things I shouldn't need. I also have a person that contacted me that wants the body of my donor car as he had an accident with his and was totaled. He still has his so he will transfer his things onto my donor car (he wanted a car with a clean title). I rather sell the body to someone that can use it than to junk the body.
 
#18 ·
Hi,

Don't forget to keep EIS, Keys Shifter and Motor ECU, Climate Panel, PSE, 3 x SAM / Fuseboxes, Door Control Modules, Airmatic and TCU Modules Cooling Fan and Controller etc etc :wink

All stuff that can and does go wrong :wink

HTH,

Cheers Dave
 
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#20 ·
Hello SChalmers,
I just wanted to give you an update on our progress. We have done the swap and have put the 2000 S430 engine into the body of the 2003 S430. Apparently the ECUs between the two cars are different which means the wire harnesses are different as well. So what I think we will have to do is take the entire wire harness off of a the bad engine from the 2003 S430 And put it on the engine of the 2000 S430 we have installed. Does this make sense to you?
 
#21 ·
Hi,

Yes that makes sense, I don't think you can resolve the issue by swapping ECU EIS and Shifter, because the later car is Post Facelift, and the Electronics don't match up, CGW and all that :wink

I think you are going in the correct direction :wink

Cheers Dave
 
#23 ·
Hi,

I've never done the likes of this on Petrol MB Cars, but plenty of times on MB CDI's and on other Marques.

The only thing you may come across, when Plugging the Harness into all the Engine Sensors is possibly a sensor or 2 may have different plugs, but that's easy, if you come across that, just swap any parts necessary from the old Engine :wink

I think you'll be fine :wink

Cheers Dave
 
#25 ·
Hello everyone,
We got the engine swap and wire harness all done. Car fired up pretty good and has smoothed out nicely. However, I took it out for a test drive and the transmission will not change any gears. You can put it in reverse and drive and it moves but there is no changing of gears when driving.

I have the following codes:
P1833 Stored. The output stage in control module N15/5 (Electronic selector lever module unit) has an Open circuit

P2037-4 MIL On & Stored & Current. No or incorrect CAN message from control unit N15/3 (ETC/EGS control unit) Communication fault/See also CAN status in freeze frame data (P0600)

C1101-016 MIL On & Stored & Current. L6/2 (right front speed sensor) Open circuit in wiring

501B Stored & Current. Fault in CAN communication with control unit N15/3 (Electronic transmission control (ETC/EGS)

5041 Stored & Current. CAN message from control module N47-5 (ESP, SPS (PML) and BAS control unit) is faulty. Right front wheel speed sensor

To add more information, i have noticed the C and S buttons by the gear shifter doesnt work when you press them and nothing shows up on the dash board when you press the buttons.

Does anyone have any insight on these issues? I kinda feel like something may not be plugged in or maybe a fuse or relay may be blown.

Any assistance is greatly appreciated.
 
#26 ·
Hi,

Much more info needed :wink

Was it Just the Engine and Engine Harness that you swapped, or did you swap Tranny as well etc ??

Was the 2 Cars driving OK before the Swap ??

Have you checked the TCU for Oil which can wick up the Trans Loom into TCU ??

Did you unplug any other Modules apart from Engine ECU, in order to get Loom free from Electronics Box ??

I expect, like you that there is probably a Plug off somewhere, go back and check each area you have worked in :wink

HTH,

Cheers Dave
 
#27 ·
Hello Dave,
Yes it was just the engine and wire harness swap.

The 2000 S430 was drivable until the EIS and shocks went kaput which is why I took that engine out and put in the 2003 S430.

I purchased the 2003 S430 from a guy in my area because the engine went kaput on him a couple weeks before I purchased it from him and since I knew I had a good engine in my original 2000 S430 I figured it was a perfect opportunity.

We didn?t unplug any other modules other than what we needed to for the swap but We will be checking everything over again later today since there is a possibility that the person I purchased this car from may have unplugged something.

We haven?t checked the TCU for Oil but I?ll put that on the list of things to do today as well.
I want to find diagrams or photos that shows thr Front fuses and relays under the hood so I can make sure everything is in the correct slots, especially for the fuse box location that we didn?t touch that?s on the drivers side of the hood.
 
#28 ·
Hello Dave,
Yes it was just the engine and wire harness swap.

The 2000 S430 was drivable until the EIS and shocks went kaput which is why I took that engine out and put in the 2003 S430.

I purchased the 2003 S430 from a guy in my area because the engine went kaput on him a couple weeks before I purchased it from him and since I knew I had a good engine in my original 2000 S430 I figured it was a perfect opportunity.

We didn?t unplug any other modules other than what we needed to for the swap but We will be checking everything over again later today since there is a possibility that the person I purchased this car from may have unplugged something.

We haven?t checked the TCU for Oil but I?ll put that on the list of things to do today as well.
I want to find diagrams or photos that shows thr Front fuses and relays under the hood so I can make sure everything is in the correct slots, especially for the fuse box location that we didn?t touch that?s on the drivers side of the hood.
Hi,

OK, considering the codes you got, plus you never got to drive that 2003 Car my guess is that it has a faulty ABS Sensor, and possibly TCU Fault.

If there is oil in the TCU, you may be able to dry the Oil out and it will be OK, if not and the Plugs are the same try the TCU out of the old car :wink

Lack of Comm with TCU suggests TCU fault, and ABS Sensor, well, obviously an ABS Sensor fault :wink

Regarding ABS sensor, you could just check that the plug is well seated where it goes through the Front Inner Wheel Arch into Engine Bay, it shares it's plug with the Airmatic Strut one, they are 2 little plugs clipped together, just under the Height Sensor, If plug looks OK, change the Sensor :wink

Ignore the CAN Com errors in other modules, these are being sent by TCU and ABS Modules :wink

If there is Oil Contamination in TCU, fit a new Plug / Bung / O Ring assembly in the Trans where the Wiring from TCU plugs in, this is located above the Right Front Exhaust, where Bell Housing Joins the Trans, just above Trans Sump. One 7mm (Socket Size) bolt once you have removed the Plug :wink Easy Job.

What happens is the seal between Trans and Wiring goes bad and Oil "wicks" it's way up the Wiring Loom, and into the TCU :wink

Regarding Fuse / Relay / Wiring info, spend some time searching the Forum, especially the Encyclopaedia, there is all that info, or links to it.
Also, there are many posts relating to the Trans Connector and Oil Wicking problem :wink

HTH,

Cheers Dave
 
#30 ·
Hi,

That sounds confusing to me, the location will be found in the Encyclopaedia :wink

Your car is LHD, from what you are saying above the locations do not seem the same as UK ???????

Our Cars, the ME ECU (Engine) and Airmatic ECU is in the Right Front Fuse / Relay Housing,

TCU is in the Left Front Fuse / Relay Housing.

(LEFT is the same side as your Steering Wheel), i.e if you are viewing the car from the rear :wink

Cheers Dave
 
#31 ·
"Would the TCU be located under the ECU under the hood on the left side?"


Left/right is always defined as if you were sitting in the driver's seat. That is, when you raise the hood and look inside, the left headlight is still the left headlight, and the plastic box under the right end of the windshield is still on the right side of the car, even though it is closer to your left hand at the moment...

The TCU is a small black plastic box inside the right-hand SAM box.
 
#33 ·
Hello everyone! I just wanted to give an update regarding the TCU issue. So the TCU that belonged to the 2003 S430 ended up being severely damaged. Apparently water get into it and rusted it out totally. So I took out the TCU from the 2000 S430 and it had transmission fluid in it. I thoroughly cleaned it with electronic cleaner, let it dry and then Installed it. I hooked everything up, reinstalled the battery cable and started the car. I noticed the letters showing the designation of the shifter was working now so I took the car for a drive. The transmission shifts all gears now but it shifts kind of hard and while driving, the car will not get over 2000 rpm?s. You can put the car in park or neutral and press the accelerator and the rpm?s will go up as normal but while driving the car will not go over 2000 rpm?s. There?s no downshifting of the transmission when fully depressing the accelerator and the car doesn?t have the ?get up and go? like it should. When I returned I shut the car off and restarted it and the check engine light illuminated. I checked the code and it is a P0702 (Transmission Control Unit Electrical).

So, what does anyone think? Could it be the TCU that came out of the 2000 S430 not being totally compatible with the 2003 vehicle?
 
#34 ·
Hi,

Oh bummer, I get the feeling this may become an epic, like the one I bought when I first got it :wink
Be prepared to strap yourself in for a bumpy but rewarding ride :wink

At least we have proved, at no cost so far, that you are on the right track :smile

Have you tried Resetting all Codes, then see what comes back ??

The Post Facelift Cars use a CGW, (Central Gate Way as there "Router" for want of a better description, Pre Facelift, signals go through the EIS.
If the TCU part numbers differ this could be an issue, meaning you need to get a TCU second hand with the same p/n as the dead one, from a same Model Year Car, not too big a deal, I paid ÂŁ16.00 for mine in UK, expect around $30 -$50 :wink

Check are the TCU p/n's the same ?? ...... A xxx xxx xx xx :wink

If they are, try resetting the Trans Adaptives in SDS.

You could also try copying the Coding from the "Old" TCU into the "New" one, but if it won't communicate then I doubt SDS will be able to copy it :wink
I'm not sure how you get the Coding Figures if the TCU is dead, Dean, @pinkster , might know ??

If by some weird chance this hasn't cured the Gearshifts by now, see if the Gas Pedal p/n's are the same, if so swap these.

That'll do for now, except perhaps, (not that this will affect the Gearbox), try and carefully extract one of the Front ABS Sensors from your old Car and fit it in the 2003, see if that gets rid of the ABS Issue.

This will give you something to do while you are waiting for a s/h TCU if necessary :devil

HTH,

Cheers Dave