Has NE1 got any of the Kleemann mods done to their E55?
I'm contemplating a 2006 E55. I was just looking around and found this site that has different mods for the E55. Has any one ever used Kleemann for mods?
RE: Has NE1 got any of the Kleemann mods done to their E55?
Yes, I use Kleemann products on my clients cars and I haven't found a better alternative. Best performance and best reliability. We just finished a Kleemann Stage 1 for an 04 E55 and it made a huge improvement over stock, especially in the mid-range. It'll usually fetch about 530bhp. The the headers will make even more and so on. You can actually make about 630-640bhp with all the Kleemann mods. I'll list it for you below:
STG1- 538bhp ECU,Pulley,Filters
STG2- 593bhp ECU,pulley,filters,headers
STG3- 610bhp ECU,pulley,filters,headers,camshafts
STG4- 635bhp ECU,pulley,filters,headers,camshafts,complete exhaust
Hope this helps you out. If you have any other questions feel free to PM me.
RE: Has NE1 got any of the Kleemann mods done to their E55?
.........I have three Kleemann cars and I love their products, but those HP numbers are simply not correct, period!!! If you have a Kleemann car with 635HP, my challenge to you is to post the dynograph hat shows the 510 rear wheel HP. I understand that you push the envelop a bit when you are marketting, but Kleemann is getting a bit out of hand in their HP claims. You will get 500HP with a Kleemann s/c if you have a NA AMG V8 engine. YOu WILL not get the 560HP at the crank with s/c alone, period!! end of question. You will get 560 HP if you add headers, boost kit, ECU, and complete Kleemann exhaust. YOu will get 35-45HP at the rear wheels or with Kleemann boost kit and ECu and headers if you have an AMG V8K, period end of question. Your car will be stupidly fast and you will enjoy it. YOU WILL NOT GET 600HP, PERIOD, GOSPEL, END OF QUESTION!!!!
RE: Has NE1 got any of the Kleemann mods done to their E55?
Go page three of this section, towards the bottom of the page, and read my post "My Really New E-55 Kleemann". A post in this thread said Kleemmans claims were exagerated. I don't know but I have a dyno print out backing up the numbers in my post. I don't own a scanner but someone has a post with there dyno print out somewhere in this section. Have 4000 miles on the Kleemann Stage two, pulley, ECU work and headers, with no problems. Good luck.
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DaveS - 7/20/2005 12:47 AM
I'm contemplating a 2006 E55. I was just looking around and found this site that has different mods for the E55. Has any one ever used Kleemann for mods?
RE: Has NE1 got any of the Kleemann mods done to their E55?
.......exactly what numbers are you talking about? Even if you don't have a dyno, just say how much rear wheel HP does your car have. Does your car have 510HP at the rear wheels? It is really helpful for prospective buyers for accurate info to be given.
RE: Has NE1 got any of the Kleemann mods done to their E55?
...........I just read your post from feb 2005. It says your car puts out 475HP at rear wheels. That gives you 593 HP at the the crank. Which is the upper end of normal for Kleemann Stage 2 or 3. Your post actually makes my point. You wiull get insane HP, but not 635HP. I am yet to see NE1 with 510HP at the rear wheels. So lets stop saying it. By the way. I know Donnie very well. He did the work on my car. I've known him for 4 years, great guy.
RE: Has NE1 got any of the Kleemann mods done to their E55?
........also no dynograph was posted in your feb 2005 post. Talking performance numbers without dynograph or time slip is like waiting for a check in the mail; You believe it, but unless the check is physically in your hand, it doesn't mean squat. Best to be a bit more concrete, because peolpe are going to listen to you and go pluck out $10-20K looking for the "emperor's 635HP.".
RE: Has NE1 got any of the Kleemann mods done to their E55?
........you are correct. The car is incredibly fast because I did I did gear ratio change from 2.82 to 3.07 to compensate for the difference between Kleemann's marketting claims and the truth. According to Kleemann's marketing, the car should be making near 600HP at the crank or 480HP at rear wheels. I am aware of HPS Gen II s/c and it makes the same HP as a Kleemann at nearly half the price, but I already had a Kleemann s/c from my previous 03 G55, so I used it. The downside of HPS Gen II s/c is lack of software for ECU upgrade. I don't know what Kleemann did to their s/c, but since late 2002, the HP output for Kleemann s/c is going down and the HP output for HPS is going up. Right now they are equal. Kleemann manages to outdo HPS by A/F ratio adjustments to make the car run a bit lean. So if I were HPS, I'll invest money in developing ECU software.
.........I just don't think it is fare to people for anyone to be promising 635HP. If anyone has such a car, please post the dyno and the 1/4 mile times and we will make your tuner a rich person by flocking to him/her. But without dynograph and quatermile times, lets stop flinging numbers that don't exist.
.........finally, on the person that has Kleemann stage 2 in their E55, does he not find it interesting that his car reportedly puts out exactly the advertised 593HP? Not 590, not 599.
RE: Has NE1 got any of the Kleemann mods done to their E55?
Ted, I have the Dyno print out infront of me. Second run, after work, run performed by Balance Performance, shows 475.8 hp @6000 rpm. Max torque 507.7 ft/lbs. @3300 rpm. The job cost $8500. Donnie wanted another $8000. to do the camshaft as well, Kleemann Stage 3. Mine is a stage 2. Stage 1 is just the pulley and ECU work. If I'm not mistaken, the Stage 3 is where the 635 hp. claim comes from. Regardless, as I said in my post, the most impressive thing about the mod. is the doubling of the torque at 2500 rpm. Stock was 245 ft/lbs, after Stage 2, 460 ft/lbs.
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Ted baldwin - 7/30/2005 6:26 PM
...........I just read your post from feb 2005. It says your car puts out 475HP at rear wheels. That gives you 593 HP at the the crank. Which is the upper end of normal for Kleemann Stage 2 or 3. Your post actually makes my point. You wiull get insane HP, but not 635HP. I am yet to see NE1 with 510HP at the rear wheels. So lets stop saying it. By the way. I know Donnie very well. He did the work on my car. I've known him for 4 years, great guy.
RE: Has NE1 got any of the Kleemann mods done to their E55?
.........you are right that the stage three includes camshafts. But you get get no HP out of the camshafts. If you want the camshafts, you are duscouraged from getting them alone. Instead the addition of a complete Kleemann exhaust is offered. This is what brings the price to an additional $8K. This is the stage 4 is supposed to get you the 635HP which so far no one has. The camshafts alone cost $3.5K. I think Kleemann makes great products, but the HP claims needs to be toned down a bit or they risk loosing credibility.
.........The best mod is what you got. You can safely get somwhere above 550HP with the crankshaft pulley and headers. Yours apparently is 593 and that is not the highest I have heard of, but the highest I have heard of from someone who says that have the dyno. I have seen dyno of the cranshaft pulley installed and you get 35HP at the wheels which is 43HP at the crank. The addition of the headers simply does not give you an addtional 50HP at the crank. Infact, you may loose HP because of lowered boost pressure. You gain in midrange torque. I have talked to Hennessey folks, their crankshaft pulley gives you a bit more HP because it is a bit larger. There is no mystery in these mods, if it is so easy to get all these HP then everyone will be doing it. Kleemann does not have some sort of secret that the other companies lik Renntech, Brabus, Hennessey, Carlson, MKB are too stupid to figure out.
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