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Old 08-31-2009, 01:52 PM   #21 (permalink)
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valvoline is only accepted if it meets the standards 229.5

which one does.... not all valvoline

if it does, then its covered

if it doesnt say that standard then its not covered

i thought all MB dealers used Mobil
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Old 08-31-2009, 03:57 PM   #22 (permalink)
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Man I dont know I do know that alot of the dealers in this area use 5w-40 and sometimes I do see on RO Bulk oil.... hmm
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Old 09-01-2009, 07:18 AM   #23 (permalink)
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Hey guys is this oil ok for our cars???

Valvoline.com > Products > SynPower > Full Synthetic Motor Oil SynPower > SynPower® Full Synthetic Motor Oil



Fletcher Jones of Chicago is using it on all services!!

Service Menu | Fletcher Jones |
No that oil IS NOT permitted to be used in ANY MB, or any other GERMAN car for that matter.

First of all it is insufficient in HT/HS, wrong viscosity, poor quality additive package etc etc.

DO NOT use that in your MB!


The closest oil I can find that Valvoline offers in the US is their Valvoline Blue 5w40, this however only meets the MB 228.3 and MB228.31 (Safe for DPF MB diesels with AdBlue)

http://www.valvoline.com/products/br...l-motor-oil/11

The problem is this oil is not an "Extended Drain oil" in other words MB229.5 and MB229.51 are approved for up to 19,000 miles between changes (in Europe of course because of the 3000 mile mentality here in the US). As long as you tell the FSS+ that the oil IS NOT MB229.5 you should be good to go for a fixed interval of a maximum of 13K or 1 year.

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[QUOTE=drivbiwire;3681024]No that oil IS NOT permitted to be used in ANY MB, or any other GERMAN car for that matter.

First of all it is insufficient in HT/HS, wrong viscosity, poor quality additive package etc etc.

DO NOT use that in your MB!


The closest oil I can find that Valvoline offers in the US is their Valvoline Blue 5w40, this however only meets the MB 228.3 and MB228.31 (Safe for DPF MB diesels with AdBlue)

Valvoline.com > Products > Valvoline > Diesel Motor Oil Valvoline > Valvoline Premium Blue® Extreme Engine Oil

The problem is this oil is not an "Extended Drain oil" in other words MB229.5 and MB229.51 are approved for up to 19,000 miles between changes (in Europe of course because of the 3000 mile mentality here in the US). As long as you tell the FSS+ that the oil IS NOT MB229.5 you should be good to go for a fixed interval of a maximum of 13K

what does mbusa say for dealers that do that?
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Old 09-01-2009, 09:57 PM   #25 (permalink)
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I stopped using all MB approved 5w30's in my MB's, the wear metals were too high and the slight difference in fuel economy did not justify it. Part of the reason is I drive mostly high speed highway where the engine would not know the difference of summer or winter in respect to oil sump temperatures. They simply could not provide the additional level of protection for the higher load conditions I expose the engines too.

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Do you no longer recommend Elf Excellium 0W-30 (now called Total Quartz Energy 9000 0W-30) in an E320 CDI? I'm getting ready for an oil change and just bought it. I thought that was the best oil to use.
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Old 09-02-2009, 10:51 AM   #26 (permalink)
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I gave it a try but the temperatures where I live exceed the recomended ranges by MB. Secondly the wear rates were higher than when I used the 5w40 viscosity range on a test batch.

Stick with the Mobil 1 5w40 ESP if you have a Bluetec, if you have a non AdBlue engine then I would recomend the following:

- Mobil 1 Turbo Diesel Truck 5w40 (not listed but same additive package as Delvac 1, MB228.31)
- Mobil Delvac 1 ESP 5w40 (MB228,31 for use with DPF's and AdBlue)
- Shell Rotella Synthetic 5w40 (MB228.31 for use with DPF's and AdBlue)
- Mobil 1 ESP Formula M 5w40 (MB229.51 for use with DPF's and AdBlue, FSS+ approved for 19K oil changes)
- Total Quartz Energy 9000 5w40 (MB229.3)

Out of the the above oils only one is MB229.51 approved. If you select a non-MB229.51 approved oil when resetting your FSS+ make sure you tell the cluster that the oil IS NOT MB229.5 of MB229.51 when resetting the counter. This will simply put the FSS into a fixed interval of 13K or 1 year without credit for optimal driving conditions that could push the oil change interval as high as 19K with an MB229.5 or MB229.51 oil in the sump. Most people can't fathom 13K much less 19K so a fixed interval for most people won't be an issue.

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Old 11-13-2009, 04:37 PM   #27 (permalink)
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I gave it a try but the temperatures where I live exceed the recomended ranges by MB. Secondly the wear rates were higher than when I used the 5w40 viscosity range on a test batch.

Stick with the Mobil 1 5w40 ESP if you have a Bluetec, if you have a non AdBlue engine then I would recomend the following:

- Mobil 1 Turbo Diesel Truck 5w40 (not listed but same additive package as Delvac 1, MB228.31)
- Mobil Delvac 1 ESP 5w40 (MB228,31 for use with DPF's and AdBlue)
- Shell Rotella Synthetic 5w40 (MB228.31 for use with DPF's and AdBlue)
- Mobil 1 ESP Formula M 5w40 (MB229.51 for use with DPF's and AdBlue, FSS+ approved for 19K oil changes)
- Total Quartz Energy 9000 5w40 (MB229.3)

Out of the the above oils only one is MB229.51 approved. If you select a non-MB229.51 approved oil when resetting your FSS+ make sure you tell the cluster that the oil IS NOT MB229.5 of MB229.51 when resetting the counter. This will simply put the FSS into a fixed interval of 13K or 1 year without credit for optimal driving conditions that could push the oil change interval as high as 19K with an MB229.5 or MB229.51 oil in the sump. Most people can't fathom 13K mch less 19K so a fixed interval for most people won't be an issue.
Trying to understand what you are referring to regarding this statement: but the temperatures where I live exceed the recomended ranges by MB.

The Factory Approved Service Products August 2007 Oil viscosity chart on page 5 indicates that 0w30 and 5W30 are ok for the entire temperature range and are ok for the same temperatures as the XW40 oils.
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Old 11-13-2009, 06:28 PM   #28 (permalink)
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Wow, this is a broken record. Perhaps we wait for the DVD or the movie...

Pre-MY2005 with FSS system cars may use MB 229.3 (gasoline engines) or 229.31 (diesel engines) specification oils.
MY2005-MY2010 cars must use MB 229.5 (gasoline engines) or 229.51 (diesel engines) specification oils. These oils may also be used in FSS system cars of previous years.

Viscosity should be chosen according to SAE spec requirements for the temperatures in the locales of use. It is to note that only the low temperature average is critical (e.g. 10W for no less than -4degF, 15W for over 5degF, 20W for over 23degF), whereas 5W and 0W go well below those cited. The final viscosity should be chosen according to the kind of driving is done: 30 OK for highway driving; 40 for city transit, stop and go, short trips; 50 and 60 for track or very high temp operation.

Oil bottle must have specific MB spec number on the label. Note that oils recommended for diesel (MB 229.51/229.31) have less sulfur than a gas engine would benefit from and should not be used in gas engines, and vice versa (no MB 229.5/229.3 for diesels) for diesels.

Brands featuring MB 229.5 5W40 oil: (alphabetical order)
Chevron Supreme Synthetic Motor Oil
Coastal Full Synthetic SM 5W40
Elf Excellium Full-Tech 5W40
Gulf Formula GX, SAE 5W40
Mobil 1 Formula M 5W40
Motul 8100 X-max 5W40
Pennzoil Platinum European Formula
Q Horsepower Full Synthetic
Quacker State Synquest
Shell Helix Ultra
Texaco Havoline Synthetic Motor Oil
Total Quartz Energy 9000 5W40
Valvoline Synpower HST

VERY IMPORTANT:For those who do not believe in freedom of choice, none of these will kill your engine, guaranteed, BUT they ought to be used with a fleece filter (e.g. Mann 715-8x). Otherwise paper filters will desintegrate, more than render ineffective, way before the oils disintegrate.

Remember, oil is the cheapest part to keep your engine turning happy. JV


P.S. I'm just an aficionado, I don't sell or am involved in the car or oil business.

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Old 11-15-2009, 10:53 PM   #29 (permalink)
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Castrol 5w30 is the WRONG OIL! Have the oil drained and use Mobil 1 0w40.

Your car requires a synthetic 0w40 or 5w40 (of course these viscosities only come in synthetic).

I wouldn't use Castrol in my lawnmower much less my Benz's

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You are right, Castrol is not good enough for your lawn mower. Told the same thing to an auto parts salesman when he told me castrol is good.
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fleece filter is for gasoline engine only

Diesel engine still uses paper with synthetic and it sure does not disintegrate
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