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Old 12-22-2012, 09:21 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Front brake caliper guide pin bushings

Do I grease these? If so, with what?

One of mine was popped out pretty much completely. Am getting replacements. In the meanwhile, I am going to reinsert it. Hoping this was causing my front end noise.

My online manual does not say to grease these (or not) when replacing the caliper.
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I got it back in. Total PITA. Greased it with standard caliper grease. The rotor-side bushing raised rim is half torn off which allowed it to move outward toward the engine and out of the caliper.

I am wondering how to install these new caliper bushings once I get them. They have a hard plastic insert which does not allow me to "fold-in" the rubber to make it easy to install. Further, this plastic insert can pop out during install. hence the PITA. I finally had to cut the longer "dust cap" end lengthwise up to the inner stop rim and barely got it in.

Maybe they go in from the engine side?

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Old 12-24-2012, 01:08 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Any updates? Did you receive the new ones and put them in? Curious if it fixed the noise.

Perhaps a special tool is needed for installing them?
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Unfortunately it did not fix the noise but I can only imagine what it would have done one it came completely out. I am pretty sure it happened when I tried to "bed" my pads. I'll never do that again.

My road noise has progressed to the point where I am now thinking it is a front wheel bearing. So I will change them again (since it is cheap) and see what happens. It is very possible that the noise I was after back then is fixed and I goofed up the bearings and now they are making noise, a similar noise but not the same noise.
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Unfortunately it did not fix the noise but I can only imagine what it would have done one it came completely out. I am pretty sure it happened when I tried to "bed" my pads. I'll never do that again.

My road noise has progressed to the point where I am now thinking it is a front wheel bearing. So I will change them again (since it is cheap) and see what happens. It is very possible that the noise I was after back then is fixed and I goofed up the bearings and now they are making noise, a similar noise but not the same noise.
Is the noise loud enough to make a video of? I tried on my car, didn't work. I'm just living with mine for now.

Btw, when replacing wheel bearings... would it be smart to replace the wheel hub as well?
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I think I can. I will post it once I get to it. It is not necessary to replace the hub but it is a much easier job. If you have a press and are good at it, you can press in the new races pretty easily. In my cas I noticed they did not appear fully seated but I couldn't press any harder. Over a few weeks I found myself adjusting the preload nut several times each side and finally it stopped. They Mercedws method of setting preload is next to impossible IMHO. I just tightened until the rotor dragged then backed it off a little then went finger tight.


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I think I can. I will post it once I get to it. It is not necessary to replace the hub but it is a much easier job. If you have a press and are good at it, you can press in the new races pretty easily. In my cas I noticed they did not appear fully seated but I couldn't press any harder. Over a few weeks I found myself adjusting the preload nut several times each side and finally it stopped. They Mercedws method of setting preload is next to impossible IMHO. I just tightened until the rotor dragged then backed it off a little then went finger tight.


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Which brand did you go with? Btw, what's the Mercedes method of setting preload? I'm guessing it requires insane amounts of torque?
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I'll try to get Timken. The preload method used in the manual is to set the retainer so that 0.0005 is read on a micrometer when the hub is moved in and out. Is nearly impossible as the tolerance is so tight it makes the reading meaningless IMHO.


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I'll try to get Timken. The preload method used in the manual is to set the retainer so that 0.0005 is read on a micrometer when the hub is moved in and out. Is nearly impossible as the tolerance is so tight it makes the reading meaningless IMHO.


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Ah... perhaps it's a tool that shows a dial? I'll look at what I can find. Does WIS state which tool? I can probably find it.

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Thanks! Merry Christmas to you as well!
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