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#1 (permalink) Old 10-29-2010, 09:30 PM
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Snow tire help

Hi guys,

i have been debating on which snow tires would be ideal for my 430.These are my first winter tires ever. I was originally debating between the Michelin X Ice XI2, and the Continental Extreme Winter Contact, until i was told that they were a T rated tires and that i needed at least an H rated tire because the T rated studless snow tires would burn out very fast because of torque and they would make the car very wobbly and mushy as far as handling goes.

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All performance H rated tires are considered performance snow tires which i guess sacrifice some snow traction for everyday use and dry road handling although still better than a all season in snow. I was recommend some H snow rates toyo snowproxes rather than the above mentioned T rated tires.
SNOWPROX S952 | Toyo Tires

I really want great snow traction when it snows(which it should at least 5 times), but i also fear of having to replace the tires after 2 seasons. I am really torn between the pro's and con's of a performance vs regular studless snow tire.


Any thoughts, opinions or any input is appreciated
thanks
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Hi guys,

i have been debating on which snow tires would be ideal for my 430.These are my first winter tires ever. I was originally debating between the Michelin X Ice XI2, and the Continental Extreme Winter Contact, until i was told that they were a T rated tires and that i needed at least an H rated tire because the T rated studless snow tires would burn out very fast because of torque and they would make the car very wobbly and mushy as far as handling goes.

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All performance H rated tires are considered performance snow tires which i guess sacrifice some snow traction for everyday use and dry road handling although still better than a all season in snow. I was recommend some H snow rates toyo snowproxes rather than the above mentioned T rated tires.
SNOWPROX S952 | Toyo Tires

I really want great snow traction when it snows(which it should at least 5 times), but i also fear of having to replace the tires after 2 seasons. I am really torn between the pro's and con's of a performance vs regular studless snow tire.


Any thoughts, opinions or any input is appreciated
thanks
Autobild tests 2009 (N=studs, K=studless):
1 N Continental Conti Winter Viking 2 116
2 K Continental Conti Viking Contact 5 103
3 N Michelin X-Ice North XIN2 103
4 N Pirelli Winter Carving Edge 101
5 K Nokian Hakkapeliitta R 99
6 N Nokian Hakkapeliitta 7 98
7 N Goodyear UltraGrip Extreme 96
8 N Kumho I'zen KW 22 89
9 K Michelin X-Ice 88
10 K Kumho Icepower KW 21 75
11 K Goodyear Ice Navi ZEA 70

Finnish tests 2009, studless only:
1 Michelin X-Ice XI2 7,8
2 Nokian Hakkapeliitta R 7,5
2 Yokohama Ice Guard ig30 7,5
3 Continental ContiVikingContact 5 7,4
4 Bridgestone Blizzak Nordic WN-01 7,4
5 Goodyear Ice Navi Zea 7,3
6 Michelin Primacy Alpin 6,5
7 Falken Eurowinter HS439 6,3

Finnish tests 2010 (studless)
(Test of Tekniikan Maailma)
205/55 R16

1. Goodyear Ultra Grip Ice+ 7,4
2. Nokian Hakkapeliitta R 7,3
2. Continental ContiVikingContact 5 7,3
4. Michelin X-Ice XI2 7,0
5. Bridgestone Blizzak Nordic WN-01 6,9
6. Yokohama Ice Guard ig30 6,7
7. Kenda Icetec 6,4
8. Dunlop Graspic DS-3 6,3


(Test of Tuulilasi)

1. Continental VikingContact5 7,5
2. ContiWinterContact TS830 6,5

Swedish test (Vi Bilägare) 2010:
205/55 R16

1. Nokian Hakkapeliitta R
2. Nokian Nordman RS
3. Gislaved SoftFrost 3 and Goodyear Ultra Grip Ice+

Russian test (Za Rulem) 2010:
1. Nokian Hakkapeliitta R
2. Bridgestone Blizzak WS 60
3. Michelin X-Ice 2
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Hi guys,

i have been debating on which snow tires would be ideal for my 430.These are my first winter tires ever. I was originally debating between the Michelin X Ice XI2, and the Continental Extreme Winter Contact, until i was told that they were a T rated tires and that i needed at least an H rated tire because the T rated studless snow tires would burn out very fast because of torque and they would make the car very wobbly and mushy as far as handling goes.

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All performance H rated tires are considered performance snow tires which i guess sacrifice some snow traction for everyday use and dry road handling although still better than a all season in snow. I was recommend some H snow rates toyo snowproxes rather than the above mentioned T rated tires.
SNOWPROX S952 | Toyo Tires

I really want great snow traction when it snows(which it should at least 5 times), but i also fear of having to replace the tires after 2 seasons. I am really torn between the pro's and con's of a performance vs regular studless snow tire.


Any thoughts, opinions or any input is appreciated
thanks

I've run true studless snow tires (Blizzaks, Michelin X ice etc.) on my E-420 and Silverado Diesel as well as studded tires. IMHO the present studless tires are far superior to studded tires on dry/wet pavement, and significantly better on snow/ice than a studded tire. BUT, they definitely are NOT a performance tire, they do squirm more and they do wear fast. What I do is mount them on an extra set of rims and swap them out when needed. I can swap tires in about 1/2 hour with a floor jack and rattle gun on my silverado, and they are big tires. quicker on the Benz. Last winter I got caught in a sudden winter storm with the E-420 and studless tires and had no problem getting around, while folks with FWD/AWD were stopped and stuck.

And IMHO stick with the T rated studless tires, they are optimzed for traction. When the weather is bad your not going to be going above the T rates speeds anyway.


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100% love Continental Wintercontact TS830, best tires ever.. :-)
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It all depends on what you are looking for. FWIW, I also live in CT, and drive weekly to my ski house in VT. Bad weather just means better skiing, so we go no matter what.

Snow is not really the problem, but the transition from rain to snow (right about MA/VT boarder) or spontaneous freezing rain. Either one can put you in a ditch. I converted from studded snows to Blizzaks about 6 years ago, and now have them on all my vehicles for the winter. It seems like you just can't put them into a skid.

I prefer the Bridgestone Blizzack

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires....0&autoModClar=

If you want a true performance tire, This would be a good choice, but where I live in CT, freezing rain is what puts the fear of God in me.

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires....0&autoModClar=

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Thanks a lot i will more than likely end up with the bridgestones.
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I have blizzaks, x-ice, and nokian hakka qs on my 3 cars. For all around versatility and treadwear i would opt for the nokians.

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i have had great experience with blizzaks in heavy snow.
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Tire Rack seems to really like the General Altimax Arctics. I'm about to get a set for my 300e. And at $70 a piece the price aint too bad.

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