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#1 (permalink) Old 12-28-2009, 04:11 PM
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Need Help re: Transmission Probs (2000 E430)

Hi, all.

I have a 2000 E430 with about 105,000 miles. I've had it about four years and it's been a great car with no problems.

Last week I was driving home from work and the transmission stopped working. At first, the car wouldn't shift out of 2nd gear, so I pulled over, but then when I tried to get going again, it was as if the car was in neutral. I called a tow truck and waited around. After 10 minutes, I decided to see what the car would do now. I started it up and to my surprise it drove perfectly fine. I started driving home but after about 10 minutes the transmission started slipping, so I drove it directly to my local shop.

My local shop, which I believe is very trustworthy, says that I have had a total transmission failure. They recommend a new transmission from MB at a total cost of $5,000. Alternatively, I could get a used transmission installed for a total of $2,600. To replace the fluid and see what happens, they want $400, and they say that it is unlikely to do anything.

Has anyone dealt with this? Any thoughts or suggestions? The car is in great shape but was only worth $8,000-$9,000 before all of this, so it's hard to bring myself to put $5,000 into it. Thanks in advance.

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first thing to do is to get the codes read and get a second opinion. without codes cannot come to conclusion. did the shop write down the codes for you? $400 for just a tranny fluid change is too expensive, usually its $100-150 cheaper than that. also you should do some reading regarding your transmission from the sticky's http://www.benzworld.org/forums/w210...ain-drive.html and don't forget to post the error codes. good luck
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This type of problem with this transmission is common.

BTW, I have read your other post in a different thread.

What "fixed" your transmission "after 10 minutes" is not the 10 minutes, but an ignition shutdown, IMHO. When this happens the next time again, shut down the ignition, restart, and it should work again, if it is not in electric limp (see link below).

I highly doubt you need a transmission. As tirona suggested, have the transmission codes read by a Mercedes scanner and equivalent and then go from there.

Some reading below.

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If you read through the stickies you'll find lots of information. If it's really toast, then my guess is either the transmission was never serviced or it was improperly serviced.

There are transmission codes that may be helpful (again, discussed in the stickies) and it is entirely possible it's just the adapter plate gone south on you. A trustworthy shop doesn't mean much if they are not well-acquainted with Benz transmissions, and if not I wouldn't let them touch it. Get it to an indy that knows benz transmissions and have it properly diagnosed before you make any decisions on what to do with it.

BTW, please take a minute to click user cp and add your vehicle and location information to your profile, it's often useful.

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Thanks, all, for the replies so far. I will follow the links and read up. The shop that I took it to specializes in foreign cars, esp. Mercedes -- is that what you guys mean by an "indy," or is there some other meaning?

If it's just some kind of electrical issue, it seems odd to me that the problem would reappear after I drive another 10 minutes. But maybe some kind of electrical disturbance takes a few minutes to build up. Also, I have had problems with the electrical system for the last couple of years -- various lights going out, and it turns out not to be the bulb. Also, whenever it is very cold out, my cassette tape door ejects spontaneously and my radio stops working. It was the first very cold day of the year when the transmission failed.

Glad to hear that it's possible that I may not need a new transmission.

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...The shop that I took it to specializes in foreign cars, esp. Mercedes -- is that what you guys mean by an "indy," or is there some other meaning?..
Indy just means an independent shop and you obviously have one. Do they have a scanner that can read the transmission codes? If not, I'd keep looking or pay a dealer to run a SDS (aka Star) scan for the codes. It might cost you $125 but could save you quite a bit and get to the bottom of your issue.

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Thanks, I will check that out.
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Hello again. I called the guy and asked if he had done the scan and if I could have the codes. He seemed a little annoyed but agreed to give me the codes. They were: 65, 110, 116, 130, 132, 134, 135, 136. He was confident that I need to replace the entire transmission, so that is what I am going to do next week unless someone on here tells me I don't need to. Thanks for the posts.
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This does not sound like you need to replace the entire transmission.

There are some intermittent electrical problems with your transmission and some codes are more important than others.

Among these, the two that are important are:

110: RPM sensor comparison implausible
116: Starter Lock-out contact or temperature sensor contact

The rest of them are all CAN BUS errors that can be caused by the above two.

The 65 code, however, is related to the faulty ETC but that, again, can be the consequence of bad electric connection.

If I were you, I would replace the conductor plate and clear the codes. All the mentioned items, RPM sensors, Starter Lock-out contact, and temp sensor are on the conductor plate. The conductor plate is a common failure on these transmissions.

Please give the whole thread I linked earlier a thorough read.
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If your mechanic was annoyed that you asked for information, rather than just accepting a diagnosis to replace the whole tranny, then get another mechanic.

You're in St. Louis -- anyone have a recommendation for that area? I believe there's a thread or sticky or something listing indy recommendations....

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