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Old 12-17-2009, 02:14 PM   #1 (permalink)
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229.1 versus 229.5

Hi everyone,

I just wanted to sort out some confusion that I have regarding MB spec oils. I have a 2002 E320 4matic and downloaded the service manual from mbusa.com. The manual states that my car can use Mobil 1 Tri-Synthetic 0W40 with a 229.1 spec. Everyone on the forum says to use Mobil 1 0W40 which is 229.5 spec. Is 229.5 the newer spec that overrides all older ones? Can someone clear up the confusion for me? Thanks
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Do you mean service manual or owner's manual?

Just to muddy the water a bit more, there is also a 229.3 and a 229.51 MB spec. Until our resident chemists chime in, use the Mobil1 0W40 229.5 spec oil in your 2002 E-Class. I wouldn't use the term override as much as I would define the higher numbered specs as a slight improvement in quality over the lower ones. I've never heard of the Tri-Synthetics.
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Do you mean service manual or owner's manual?

Just to muddy the water a bit more, there is also a 229.3 and a 229.51 MB spec. Until our resident chemists chime in, use the Mobil1 0W40 229.5 spec oil in your 2002 E-Class. I wouldn't use the term override as much as I would define the higher numbered specs as a slight improvement in quality over the lower ones. I've never heard of the Tri-Synthetics.
Musikmann, its the service booklet...the one that the dealers would stamp after a service. I assumed the same thing, that the 229.5 spec is a more updated spec that is better. I also found another .pdf of factory approved service products dated 8/2007. It states that all engines from 1998-2004 on the FSS schedule should follow 229.5 spec which mean Mobil 1 0W40 is good. I guess I just want someone to confirm that 229.5 spec is indeed an update of 229.1.
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Old 12-17-2009, 04:51 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Do you mean service manual or owner's manual?

Just to muddy the water a bit more, there is also a 229.3 and a 229.51 MB spec. Until our resident chemists chime in, use the Mobil1 0W40 229.5 spec oil in your 2002 E-Class. I wouldn't use the term override as much as I would define the higher numbered specs as a slight improvement in quality over the lower ones. I've never heard of the Tri-Synthetics.
The latest MB Sheet approved oil as they refer to it is 229.5. The 229.51 is a low SAPS (lower sulfur, Ash and Phosphorus content) made to protect exhaust emission components such as the diesel particulate filter. Should not be used in a US gasoline engine because of the gasoline available in the US that contains ethanol. Apparently there is a problem with the ethanol. It is fine and preferred for diesels and required for 2007 and later diesel models that are equipped with particulate filters.

Mobil Tri-Synthetics is a marketing term that they coined several years back to make use think we were getting something new and better for the same price.

As for you 2002 E-class. I would use the Mobil 1 0W40 European Formula available a Walmart and other auto stores. There is also a German Castrol that a lot of folks swear by that is about the same price that you can buy at Autozone. It is Castrol Syntec 0W30 and is made in Germany. Make sure any oil you use has the MB Certification -- Meets MB 229.5

Here is a URL to the MB website that has all the approvals, etc.

Mercedes-Benz Operating Fluids-Extranet

Hope this helps.
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Old 12-17-2009, 04:57 PM   #5 (permalink)
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I guess I just want someone to confirm that 229.5 spec is indeed an update of 229.1.
229.1 at one point was the spec. However, 229.5 is the latest spec for your car's approved oil - yes 229.5 is better than 229.1 spec oil and is backward compatible.
So the most readily available 229.5 spec oil in the US is Mobil1 0W40, it should says that it meets MB 229.5 on the bottle.
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229.1 at one point was the spec. However, 229.5 is the latest spec for your car's approved oil - yes 229.5 is better than 229.1 spec oil and is backward compatible.
So the most readily available 229.5 spec oil in the US is Mobil1 0W40, it should says that it meets MB 229.5 on the bottle.
Thank you sir. This was the exact statement I was looking for.
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Here is a URL to the MB website that has all the approvals, etc.

Mercedes-Benz Operating Fluids-Extranet

Hope this helps.
Hi edwin,
the link is very useful. However the sheets show which kinds of fluid meet the specs but they do not show which sheets apply to which car models or engines.
For example how do I know that my M104 has sheet 229.1 or 229.3?
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229.1 is not the spec oil for a 2002 Benz. 229.3 is the proper spec. You can use 229.5 which is downward compatable but NOT 229.1 as it is not upward compatable with 229.3.

Keep in mind 229.1 is typically not even a fully synthetic oil. Fine for a pre FSS car but not for FSS.

As for 229.31 and 229.51......the fog is clearing and they are probably downward compatable with 229.3 and 229.5 respectively.

Soooooo..... Use 229.3 or better oil in a 2002.
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Old 12-17-2009, 10:33 PM   #9 (permalink)
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As for the M104 engine......original spec was dino oil which eliminates 229.3 and above...so the question is do you want to switch to a synthetic?

If you are already using a synthetic....the question is moot.....
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229.1 is not the spec oil for a 2002 Benz. 229.3 is the proper spec. You can use 229.5 which is downward compatable but NOT 229.1 as it is not upward compatable with 229.3.

Keep in mind 229.1 is typically not even a fully synthetic oil. Fine for a pre FSS car but not for FSS.

As for 229.31 and 229.51......the fog is clearing and they are probably downward compatable with 229.3 and 229.5 respectively.

Soooooo..... Use 229.3 or better oil in a 2002.
229.1 is the spec oil for a 2002 E-class. Here is the link to the original service manual: Mercedes-Benz - Home of C, E, S, CLK, CLS, CL, SLK, SL, SLR, R, GLK, M, GL, G Class

This is the reason I started the thread b/c the original service booklet says to use 229.1. However, it does look like MB made updates and 229.5 is a higher spec which is backward compatible.
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