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Old 10-18-2009, 02:56 PM   #11 (permalink)
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I always used 0W40 the one with MB 229.5 Spec I am just pissed off that the dealer told me to use 5W30 and I didn't even think what I was doing..and just listen to them.. .
I should have my wife drop slap me.. like the DIY procedures say...
Look on the bright side...you know that you cannot trust that dealer even for something this basic. I'd send a letter about it to the service manager and copy in MBUSA, maybe you'll get a free car wash out of 'em.

IIRC, the ESP is formulated for "extra service protection", up to 15,000 miles according to their marketing campaign...but the oil locator feature on their site still returns just 0W40 and the fluids spec page I posted the other day doesn't list it, either.

Re: dope slaps, I thought that getting those regularly from the wife was a big part of why guys *get* married.
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Old 10-18-2009, 04:21 PM   #12 (permalink)
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I bought the filter from MB dealer - how are the filters from Autohausaz are they the same? and how about the air filters from Autohausaz?
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Old 10-18-2009, 04:29 PM   #13 (permalink)
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I think the Autohaus filters are on par with the MB parts from the dealer.
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Old 10-18-2009, 06:38 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Your dealer is guilty of gross incompetance if they told you to use Mobil1 5W30. Like Greg said, write to the service manager and CC to MBUSA, they need to know about this.
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Old 10-18-2009, 06:42 PM   #15 (permalink)
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I bought the filter from MB dealer - how are the filters from Autohausaz are they the same? and how about the air filters from Autohausaz?
As far as I know, anything you buy for your car from Autohausaz is fine. They sell as many OE parts to which they have access and the alternate brands they have are probably fine too. If you get the oil changed soon, I think the filter will be fine. Those don't hold enough oil to matter.
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Old 10-19-2009, 01:04 PM   #16 (permalink)
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Musikmann and Gregs210, psp9218

I will differ a bit here, if the oil has any sort of sj-sm marking, then you should be safe to run 5000 or even 6000 miles.
I am quite sure the 229.5 spec and fleece filter are for extended interval of up to 15000 miles.

Normal 5 quarts SJ+ oil sump will protect any car for 3000-5000 miles, yours has 8 quarts capacity.

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Old 10-19-2009, 01:34 PM   #17 (permalink)
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Musikmann and Gregs210, psp9218

I will differ a bit here, if the oil has any sort of sj-sm marking, then you should be safe to run 5000 or even 6000 miles.
I am quite sure the 229.5 spec and fleece filter are for extended interval of up to 15000 miles.

Normal 5 quarts SJ+ oil sump will protect any car for 3000-5000 miles, yours has 8 quarts capacity.

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I'm not shooting anyone, but I will respectfully disagree.

All I'm saying (repeating) is that the oil he poured in (1) is the wrong viscosity for the engine in Mobil1 trim and (2) does not have MB's specified base pack of additives. While I suspect there may be oils out there that have the capability of protecting the engine as well as or perhaps even better than one that meets MB specs, I am sure that the 5W30 or 10W30 or 0W30 DOES NOT (those were specifically rejected by MB on the sheet Wolfgang posted as not meeting shear requirements for FSS engines).

I'd also submit that capacity is irrelevant; 8, 20 or 50 quarts of the wrong oil doesn't make it the right oil, does it? Moreover, there are plenty of conventional oils that are the wrong weight but meet modern API specs, how long can we leave those in? (It's an ugly path to start down if you follow the logical progression.)

Overall, I think it's unlikely he'd do any significant, lasting damage to the engine if he changed it in 5,000 miles. However, I'd never want to suggest that he do so, if only for the reason that if something did fail, he'd partly blame me. Plus if he did later develop problems he'd always wonder if he brought them on by this event. Peace of mind is worth dumping $35 of wrong oil.

As I said, I once made the same mistake. For the cost of the oil it simply was not worth risking it, which is why I changed it out as fast as I could after I learned my mistake.
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Oh no, shall I say you're totally right?
By the way, are you the advocate of changing oil too early is not as beneficial - claiming once the additive is done, then it's base oil, and it's better

My point to the OP is that I will not lose any sleep over the oil grade. Oil is oil, although M1 5w30 is not 229.5 spec it's still SJ+ oil and it will protect the engine, any engine to a point. I don't think there's any mystery to the MB engine that only calls for its 229.* spec. I do however believe if he wants to follow FSS then a spec oil is required.

I said it somewhere, my sister 99E-320 has about 160k mile (maybe 170k now), and she's been to her only shop using M1 10W30 (which is not recommended at all) following FSS and still running strong.

Now, maybe if she use 0W40, she may make it to 500k miles vs 400k miles on 0W30?
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I said it somewhere, my sister 99E-320 has about 160k mile (maybe 170k now), and she's been to her only shop using M1 10W30 (which is not recommended at all) following FSS and still running strong.

Now, maybe if she use 0W40, she may make it to 500k miles vs 400k miles on 0W30?
Right on. I won't live long enough to put even 200K on my car. I have under 100k now and drive less than 3k a year. Change oil once a year to clear out the gasoline that condenses over the winter on the cylinder walls. I use Pennzoil 5w40 dyno. Maybe I'll end up regretting it but what? The car is a daily driver and I don't plan for it to last another 20 years. Make me feel guilty, though, and I may switch to synthetic.
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sigh, this argument is a bit silly. The 113 is not some super advanced rocket ship engine.

Run the standard Mobil 1 for a few thousand miles, and replace with spec oil later on.
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