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Old 01-19-2009, 05:56 PM   #21 (permalink)
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The ATF fluid I purchased at my dealer (MB label) says it meets 236.10 spec and nothing else. It's the 5 speed red/pink type fluid so the NEWER Mobil 1 ATF that meets spec 236.1 should be perfectly fine as a substitute.
I asked Mobil the same question I asked Valvoline and here is the answer they gave me.

Thank you for your inquiry,
There are no products in XOM's lineup that meet the MB 722.6specification.
Regards, LRL

Here is a copy of what the mobil specs work in. Got this from Valvoline.

1995-2006: all 4 or 5 speed without controlled torque converter lockup clutch
DEXRON®-III (MB 236.9, MB 236.1),
DEXRON‚-II (MB 236.6, MB 236.7,
MB 236.8(arctic use only))

I hope this helps...
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Old 01-19-2009, 08:20 PM   #22 (permalink)
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This SHELL ATF meets 236.12, so I assume it will be O.K. for 5-speed:
http://www.shellusserver.com/products/pdf/ATF3353.pdf
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Old 01-19-2009, 08:34 PM   #23 (permalink)
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are all not approved in the 722.6 .If you want it to die in short order use any of the above in place of the 722.6 fluid that is only $11 a bottle.You guys keep trying to nickel and dime a several thousand dollar transmission.
I don't understand the savings vs the risk.But hey it's your transmission.
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Old 01-19-2009, 09:42 PM   #24 (permalink)
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are all not approved in the 722.6 .If you want it to die in short order use any of the above in place of the 722.6 fluid that is only $11 a bottle.You guys keep trying to nickel and dime a several thousand dollar transmission.
I don't understand the savings vs the risk.But hey it's your transmission.
Hi Rob, sir

Most of the time I am impressed with your mechanical skill and knowledge but this time I have to disagree. Please check this Mercedes sheet, it actually says that 722.6 is sheet 236.10.

and then the Valvoline spec says that it Maxlife ATF meets sheet 236.10.

On top of that the correct bottle of Mercedes ATF #A001 289 21 03 10 that I bought also say it's sheet 236.10

I do believe they are compatible. It's not about the saving (well a little bit about saving) but more about the different choices that one can have servicing the 722.6 AT - Knowing anything that meets sheet 236.10 is allowed.

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Old 01-19-2009, 10:16 PM   #25 (permalink)
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Hi Rob, sir

Most of the time I am impressed with your mechanical skill and knowledge but this time I have to disagree. Please check this Mercedes sheet, it actually says that 722.6 is sheet 236.10.

and then the Valvoline spec says that it Maxlife ATF meets sheet 236.10.

On top of that the correct bottle of Mercedes ATF #A001 289 21 03 10 that I bought also say it's sheet 236.10

I do believe they are compatible. It's not about the saving (well a little bit about saving) but more about the different choices that one can have servicing the 722.6 AT - Knowing anything that meets sheet 236.10 is allowed.

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Hi, Jeffrey. I'm not Rob (who is Rob?) but I think the point is that MB no longer specifies 236.10 for the 722.6xx. The spec has been superseded to 236.12. Since the MaxLife meets .10, it no longer complies with CURRENT MB specs.

Since it met the standard at one time, my guess is you would be fine with using it since your transmission was fine with the .10 fluid. IIRC this is the fluid Kajtek1 put in his high-miler and with which he's had no problems.

However, from a purely technical standpoint, the MaxLife does not comply with CURRENT MB specs for fluid in the 722.6xx transmission.

I hope that helps clear up the confusion.

This is the second thread we've had on this exact topic in as many weeks. Since I can't imagine there is anything else useful, perhaps the mods will merge the threads into one and then close the resulting one.

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that MB no longer specifies 236.10 for the 722.6xx. The spec has been superseded to 236.12.
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While it is correct that MB no longer specifies 236.10 for the 722.6xx, 236.12 is also no longer the current spec. The spec has been superseded to 236.14 (as of Aug last year).

236.10 is not the current spec for 722.6xx. 236.12 is not the current spec for 722.6xx. The current spec is 236.14 for 722.6xx.

However, dealers (online and brick and mortar) still sells 236.10 and 236.12.

What autohausaz sells is 236.10 for the W210 and 236.12 for the W211 (922.9xx), if you use their their catalog (for the car) to buy.

With all respect, there is value here as people are so confused and fearful.

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Regardless of what the current MB spec is (they probably changed it to reduce the number of fluids dealers have to carry) my tranny has worked flawlessly for 94K miles with 236.10 spec fluid and on my ex-W163, it worked for over 105K miles with 236.10 spec so using an ATF that meets 236.10 spec should be perfectly acceptable.
I love how certain people live and die by MB oil specs but then choose to put a whole bunch of aftermarket parts that are neither designed nor approved by Mercedes such as brake pads, rotors, suspension components, etc. You either follow MB "specs" to the tee or you don't. You can't have it both ways...
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Old 01-20-2009, 06:59 AM   #28 (permalink)
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that MB no longer specifies 236.10 for the 722.6xx. The spec has been superseded to 236.12.
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While it is correct that MB no longer specifies 236.10 for the 722.6xx, 236.12 is also no longer the current spec. The spec has been superseded to 236.14 (as of Aug last year).

236.10 is not the current spec for 722.6xx. 236.12 is not the current spec for 722.6xx. The current spec is 236.14 for 722.6xx.

However, dealers (online and brick and mortar) still sells 236.10 and 236.12.

What autohausaz sells is 236.10 for the W210 and 236.12 for the W211 (922.9xx), if you use their their catalog (for the car) to buy.

With all respect, there is value here as people are so confused and fearful.

To be honest I did not even know Mercedes changed the spec till recently. I normally buy my parts from Autohaus and they have always sent me the 236.10 Mercedes fluid. All this confusion started for me when I bought the Fibi and read what the bottle says. Than I started to do some research and found there are other fluids that meet the 236.10 spec. I almost hate to say this but I noticed on myeuroparts.com theysell Redline, Pentosin, Fibi and Mercedes as fuids that will work in the 722.6. I am not sure why Mercedes keeps changing their spec. Generally speaking the new spec/product is NOT always a better than what they are replacing. Hey, I'm probably a little bias but look at the 211's and tell me it is a better than the 210.

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use spec,whatever brand you feel is going to do the job.
As to using spec or not using spec and drawing a line,that is not a valid point.
If a cryo treated brake rotor and special pads increase brake life,reduce brake fade,drop stopping distance and exceed specs.There is no harm making it a better brake system.
Using non spec fluid risks the opposite for the trans..That is the only point I was trying to make.Don't sell yourself short on fluids.If any other brand meets specs use it.Just don't cheap out and use the wrong stuff,to save a few bucks.
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Hi Gregs210,

I believe Rob is Ohlord's first name, It's the respect I have with regard to our age difference.

Anyway, back to the topic, I do believe that Sergio, Loubapache, dneuman are right.

The ATF that we've been using - MB 001 989 21 0310 met only 236.10 (not 236.12). That ATF is still being pour in our W210 5-speed now. Valvoline Maxlife also meet 236.10.

The newer ATF fluid MB 001 989 45 0310 that meet 236.12 (backward compatible with 236.10) is required to be in to the 7-speed transmission (most apparently the later W211) - Not a must to be in W210 5-speed.

Now, unless MB bans 001 989 21 0310 ATF from the market and announce it doesn't meet MB requirement for W210 5-speed, until then I still believe Valvoline Maxlife ATF can be used in the W210.

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