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#61 (permalink) Old 03-08-2008, 06:53 PM
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0 - 62mph time for the E430 according to MB is 6.6 seconds. Absolutely no way is the Honda faster.
Sorry guys the 2007 V6 Honda will walk a E430.

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pardon me for barging in, but i see some arguments posted that make little sense to me (no offence).
you are either all doing acceleration (drag) races at every stoplight, or worry about which car gets fastest to 75 mph top speed allowed on most highways in the US??? while perhaps half that time on the highway you are spending in commuter traffic?

This would make better sense if you were, say, like me, living in german autobahn land (before reacting, ask yourself: how many times did you actually reach top speed???? i do so on my V8 E420T every day.... 250 kmh, limited). oh, and here the argument could be: many cars can reach up to 220 kmh (top speed of E320), but a lot less go beyond that... so if you like showing that bunch my rear end buy the V8, if you wanna race Porsches, get the AMG.

i just don't get the point: the difference (besides from all the options chosen by the initial buyer) is limited to about 20mph top speed, a few HPs. a bit of torque, and a second or so 0-60 times (no need to quote the right nrs here for me, i do know them).
there is more than the difference in mere engine that causes higher maintenance costs, bit more complex DIY work, or trouble finding spare parts easily. (like the difference between the sedan or touring, version ie classic vs avantgarde, adjustable suspension, etc)... that is before getting into the 4matic discussion.

My point is: you just need to get the car that best fits your needs, and there everybody is different. Probably other things than the difference in engine will make the biggest difference to you, like full option package -luxury, sedan or Tmodel -storage capacity, suspension type -sporty vs comfort, etc.
oh, and if you worry about fuel economy: i hear the Smart (from the MB family) car is now also available in US. perhaps have a look at that us well... for twice the budget
best of luck finding a great deal, and let us know (pics).
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pardon me for barging in, but i see some arguments posted that make little sense to me (no offence).
you are either all doing acceleration (drag) races at every stoplight, or worry about which car gets fastest to 75 mph top speed allowed on most highways in the US??? while perhaps half that time on the highway you are spending in commuter traffic?

This would make better sense if you were, say, like me, living in german autobahn land (before reacting, ask yourself: how many times did you actually reach top speed???? i do so on my V8 E420T every day.... 250 kmh, limited). oh, and here the argument could be: many cars can reach up to 220 kmh (top speed of E320), but a lot less go beyond that... so if you like showing that bunch my rear end buy the V8, if you wanna race Porsches, get the AMG.

i just don't get the point: the difference (besides from all the options chosen by the initial buyer) is limited to about 20mph top speed, a few HPs. a bit of torque, and a second or so 0-60 times (no need to quote the right nrs here for me, i do know them).
there is more than the difference in mere engine that causes higher maintenance costs, bit more complex DIY work, or trouble finding spare parts easily. (like the difference between the sedan or touring, version ie classic vs avantgarde, adjustable suspension, etc)... that is before getting into the 4matic discussion.

My point is: you just need to get the car that best fits your needs, and there everybody is different. Probably other things than the difference in engine will make the biggest difference to you, like full option package -luxury, sedan or Tmodel -storage capacity, suspension type -sporty vs comfort, etc.
oh, and if you worry about fuel economy: i hear the Smart (from the MB family) car is now also available in US. perhaps have a look at that us well... for twice the budget
best of luck finding a great deal, and let us know (pics).
well, that was somewhat long winded, but what I think you're saying is that you believe the difference in normal driving is not very big. In that I agree to some extent.

Having the extra torque is definitely nice. Neither car is gonna shove you back into the seat, but the v8 thrust is nice for getting into holes in nyc traffic.

Plus, I always tend to go for the most powerful version of the vehicle I can afford. (I would have had an E55 if it had 4matic)
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Just to be intrusive here, being inbetween a 300TD W210 and a 430 in my station-wagon investment, and having an E55 in the other parking space... the big thing that makes cars fast in use (instead of stats) is torque. V8s make torque low down; the inline 6es and V6s make it further up the rev range. Being fast is all about being able to take advantage of situations - whether you are in NYC, London, or climbing the Julierpass (look it up!), you need available power.

The real joker in my pack was the (now departed) 300TD. Big old W210 wagon body: 170BHP or thereabouts, and didn't wake up for overtaking duty until 2500rpm. Super-smooth except at idle; perfectly able to redline coming away from Peage (toll) booths. Cruised at 120mph. Nobody confused it with a slow car.

I've just traded it up to a 430, though i can't quite shake the idea this might have been an error in the longer term - the 300TDs are rated for a million miles or more on that engine...

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Sorry guys the 2007 V6 Honda will walk a E430.

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Yacht Master, may I ask, is that your car in the timesheets ?
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What a choice you have !!.....If only the rest of the world had fuel prices like you guys and you didn't have to worry about running costs !! It is now around £1.04 per litre in the UK, which converts to over $8 a US gallon!!.. Enjoy whatever you decide
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Yacht Master, may I ask, is that your car in the timesheets ?
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Not my car in the time sheet.
Just a short time ago my 430 would make short work of 6 cylinder cars (expt Porsche) but the times have changed. I found out the hard way, on the street. Multi lane highway with two entrance ramps that choke down to one over a half mile. Well we come out of a turn on to the ramps , I am on the inside and jump on it as I come out of the turn, WOT, and this Honda Accord walks right by me. When I got home I checked it out and found they have 6 speed and 269 HP and much lighter. Oh well

BTY the Honda looked stock, but you never know, they have thousands of aftermarket High Performance parts for those cars.
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Losiho,

Not my car in the time sheet.
Just a short time ago my 430 would make short work of 6 cylinder cars (expt Porsche) but the times have changed. I found out the hard way, on the street. Multi lane highway with two entrance ramps that choke down to one over a half mile. Well we come out of a turn on to the ramps , I am on the inside and jump on it as I come out of the turn, WOT, and this Honda Accord walks right by me. When I got home I checked it out and found they have 6 speed and 269 HP and much lighter. Oh well

BTY the Honda looked stock, but you never know, they have thousands of aftermarket High Performance parts for those cars.

Thanks YM

Thanks for that - the reason I asked is I think a 15.5 sec quarter for an E430 is pretty slow. The way I read it, if a car can manage a 6.6 sec 0-62mph time, the quarter mile time should be at least high 14s....... (bad launch perhaps ?)
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Cool Get the most E320 you can get..

IF.... this is a daily driver.
When gas goes past $7.00US a gallon, you can squeez 36+ mpg out of it!

That being said, I wish I had an E55 as a 'toy car' just to play with once in a while.

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