Tough to argue differently despite our love for the marque. While many of the issues raised throughout the forums are relatively minor issues (I suppose it's a matter of perspective) they are nagging issues that Benz owners have come to feel immune to during the best years of the brand.
There was an article in USA Today last week (admittedly not an auto authority) reporting that Consumer reports ranked MB well down the list on quality issues (below 'average') for the entire brand. As I recall, Lexus ranked at the top of the scale.
Yes, MB cars have taken a hit the last several years in terms of reliability but not overall quality. I subscribe to Consumer Reports and have read their latest reviews of luxury cars as well as read the evaluations from other "experts," and none of them have questioned the quality of the car in terms of luxury, handling, ride, comfort, etc. It's a great car. Its definite weaknesses are in the areas of electrical (instrument cluster, light bulbs, AC) and power equipment (power windows, power seats, sunroof, etc.). MB has got to completely resolve these issues for future models. Consumer Reports does show, though, a gradual improvement in these areas in the last few model years – so there is hope.
Overall though, why buy a Lexus when you already own a "Mercedes-Benz?" There's just something about the MB name and the tri-star emblem on the front and back of your car that makes a statement about who you are. The name, “Lexus� (albeit a good car company) does not adhear to the same level of prestige as "Mercedes" does. Maybe I'm wrong, but I believe MB would come to the mind of most people when asked to think of a car brand that exemplifies quality, luxury and prestige. Driving a Lexus just doesn't have the same prestige as driving a Mercedes-Benz -- not in my book. Also, why buy Japanese? There are so many stinkin Japanese cars on the road today in America that your Lexus would just get lost in a wave of other Asian cars moving along the expressway -- but not a Mercedes. Some people take the tri-star hood ornament off their car. Why? I paid a lot of money for that thing sticking on top of my hood and I want people to see it. Deep down, I want people to notice that I drive a Mercedes. For me, “Lexus� just doesn’t come close.
Well put Bob. Having driven 4 benzes for over 20 years and over half a million miles, I would be lost without the 3 pointed star guiding my way. There have been times in the past when I was due for a new car and checked out Lexus, Infiniti but they just do not have the same feel as Mercedes. You and I both drive 98 E320's, and it is the best riding car I have ever owned. I still think my 88 E may be a better built car, but there is a quantum leap in ride quality in the W210. I just helped 2 of my sons find 92 300CE coupes. I am on the prowl for one for myself now. They have stunningly beautiful, elegant lines. The M104 24V engine is awesome as well.
Let's all hope that D/C gets their act together and puts quality on the front burner. They have had faulty window lifts for 20 years.
MB should start by treating the current owners as well as possible. Fix those electrical problems (my blinker is out again...) After all, current owners are most likely to buy again!
BTW, I live near Princeton - I still get lost in a stream of MBs[:)][:)][:)]
Here is the full article:
Unreliable Luxury Cars
Forbes.com
By Dan Lienert
One of the great stories about unreliable cars is E.B. White's 1936 short story "Farewell, My Lovely!," which concerns the last days of the Model T.
White speaks lovingly of the car--as many Americans who were exhilarated by the new vehicle would have. But he also recites a litany of problems with the Model T, which make it seem unlovable by today's standards.
"A Ford was born naked as a baby, and a flourishing industry grew up out of correcting its rare deficiencies and combating its fascinating diseases," he writes. "You bought a radiator compound to stop leaks...You bought special oil to prevent chattering...After the car was about a year old, steps were taken to check the alarming disintegration." For example, he writes, the vehicles' fenders "softened and wilted with the years."
Go to Forbes.com to view a slide show of unreliable luxury cars.
http://www.forbes.com/2005/07/01/cx_dl_0705featslide_7.html?thisSpeed=6000
These days, we think a car is unreliable if its dashboard clock has recurring problems, and the government keeps track of even more minute issues. Go to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration's Web site (www.nhtsa.gov), and you will find that Ford Motor's (NYSE:F - News) 2005 Jaguar S-Type sedan has had a recall that will potentially affect 50,000 models. Why? According to the government, "The brake-fluid master-cylinder reservoir is recessed and oriented in the engine compartment beneath a leaf screen, such that the brake fluid warning statement embossed on the top of the reservoir is not visible by direct view." Somebody call Ralph Nader.
This kind of problem seems like nothing compared with wilting fenders, but the S-Type is just one example of a modern luxury car that has developed a reputation for unreliability. Other luxury cars have had reliability problems--particularly cars made by DaimlerChrysler's (NYSE:DCX - News) Mercedes-Benz subsidiary. The slide show that follows lists 14 unreliable luxury cars, and four are from Mercedes. The only other manufacturers with more than one model on the list are BMW and Jaguar, with two each.
In March, Mercedes issued a worldwide recall reportedly affecting 1.3 million cars--and this recall was for more serious problems than unreadable labels. It concerned six- and eight-cylinder gasoline engines built between June 2001 and November 2004; battery-control-unit software on E-Class and CLS-Class sedans made from January 2002 to January 2005; and braking systems on E-Class and CLS-Class models, as well as SL-Class convertibles, built from June 2001 to March 2005, according to a statement released by Mercedes.
In one sense, luxury cars have difficulties with reliability ratings because their owners have higher expectations for the vehicles and are more likely to complain when things go wrong. But not every luxury automaker has problems with reliability. For example, cars from Toyota Motor's (NYSE:TM - News) Lexus subsidiary, such as the RX 330 and LS 430, have great track records.
But Consumer Reports--the auto industry's gold standard for reliability information on individual models--assigns "predicted reliability" ratings of "poor," the lowest on its scale, to 14 luxury cars currently on the market (you can see all of them in the slide show).
The ratings come from information on 810,000 vehicles from model-years 1997 to 2004. To create the predicted reliability ratings, the organization averages a car's overall-reliability scores for the last three years, where available, provided the vehicle has not changed significantly in that time. Each car's score is weighted to emphasize serious problem areas, such as the engine, transmission, cooling system and drive system. Consumer Reports does not issue predictions for new or overhauled models.
Having "predicted reliability" ratings stem from the past three years means the dishonorable performances of the models in the slide show do not necessarily apply to 2005 models. In fact, few of the cars in the slide show have been recalled in model-year 2005.
Go to Forbes.com to view a slide show of unreliable luxury cars.
Some cars have improved over the past three years, but still have a poor three-year average, and thus a predicted reliability rating of "poor." You may find yourself reading the slide show and asking, "Why should I care about what happened in 2002?" The answer, as Consumer Reports will tell you, is that you predict how current models are likely to hold up based on data from past model years. But if you're buying a 2006 model (some are already available), the car's predicted reliability may be even better than what Consumer Reports currently says, as the last model year it studied was 2004.
Some automakers with reliability problems are now doing things differently. In J.D. Power and Associates' 2005 Initial Quality Study (IQS), which came out in May, BMW rose to third place in the Nameplate IQS Rating, up from ninth place last year. Mercedes rose to a fifth-place tie with General Motors' (NYSE:GM - News) Cadillac subsidiary, after finishing eighth last year.
Mercedes and BMW are on a mission to improve quality. Not only have they bolstered sales by polishing their reputations; they are also decreasing their warranty expenses. "We are now producing the best product quality ever, and our aim is to ensure that those vehicles in the hands of customers that are the cause of complaints achieve a standard of quality that reflects our highest expectations," said Dr. Eckhard Cordes, who runs the Mercedes Car Group for DaimlerChrysler, following the big recall in March. Cordes, who assumed his current position in October 2004, has made restoring a reputation for quality to Mercedes cars one of his highest priorities.
Automakers are, as a group, making improvements in reliability. According to J.D. Power's Vehicle Dependability Study, which came out last week, the industry has recorded a 12% improvement in long-term vehicle quality this year. The categories showing the most significant improvements in 2005 include ride, handling (response to steering forces), braking, engine and interior.
We wouldn't be surprised if many of the automakers on this list soon regain their reputations as paragons of reliability. And even those that may continue to earn the displeasure of finicky drivers and reviewers still offer enough in the way of luxury, performance and driving pleasure to make unreliability seem like an after-thought.
After all, modern luxury cars have come a long way since the Model T. Even though they may score low in reliability, cars such as the BMW 7 Series sedan and Porsche's Cayenne sport utility vehicle are still pretty incredible. But while their fenders might not wilt, owners who have shelled out tens of thousands of dollars--or considerably more--can hardly be blamed for being frustrated by recurring problems and repeated trips to the dealership.
Well put Bob. Having driven 4 benzes for over 20 years and over half a million miles, I would be lost without the 3 pointed star guiding my way.
Excellent. I'm glad I'm not the only one. When I'm forced to drive a rental that doesn't have a hood star (or any ornament for that matter), it just feels naked.
All great points and pretty interesting reading to boot! We've had ten MB's over the past 14 years and unfotunately, the most noticeable disappointment was the `02 ML320 - - rattles, electrical gremlins and other QC issues. That's one of the reasons we're parting with it at only 50k miles.
It's tough not to ascribe the differences to the fact that it's built in Alabama as opposed to the traditional German quality.
Maybe some of it's the Chrysler influence . . .maybe just me. Anyway, just my .02
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