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Old 01-07-2003, 08:58 PM   #1 (permalink)
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North American International Auto Show: Touareg North American Debut

Instead of retyping the article, please follow the link to it.

This is the only part I want to highlight, as I think it is the highlight:

In North America, the Touareg will be available in the V8 version and as a V6 with an output of 162 kW / 220 hp. The 230 kW / 313 hp Touareg V10 TDI will also be launched as early as in 2003 in the USA.


I think that the V10 TDI has 500~550 lb.ft of torque. What I want to know is MB when will I be able to buy a CDI engine from you for my ML. We would gladly trade for a v8 400 CDI or v6 320 CDI
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Old 01-07-2003, 10:25 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Bora, lol...but what's with you and diesel engines...I understand...

the advantages and disadvantages but you must consider that there not a lot of diesel stations around like Europe.


http://www.trucktrend.com/features/tech/163_0210_gas/
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Old 01-07-2003, 10:32 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Thanks George, excellent link...

I learnt a few things that I didn't know! In the ML's case, the diesel MLs tend to understeer noticably more because of the diesel engines weighing a few hundred pounds more than the gasoline engines. Particulate emissions is also an area that I'm concerned about, as it is carcinogenic. MB has been dealing with this by designing soot filters for their diesel vehicles. However under load/acceleration, the diesels still do smoke.
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Old 01-07-2003, 10:46 PM   #4 (permalink)
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I admit though, there is an abundant amount of torque for diesels...

engines but I think the dis. still outweigh the ad.

If it remains true about harder starting in cold weather, then people that live in extreme cold climates like Kamloops [:D] should reconsider.

The only reason why diesel is so popular in Europe is because of gas prices and the high fuel consumption of suvs. Here in NA, we do not have to worry about that yet.
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Yes, there is...

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engines but I think the dis. still outweigh the ad.
However for my situation where I do not tow, the petrol engines have plenty of torque!

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If it remains true about harder starting in cold weather, then people that live in extreme cold climates like Kamloops [:D] should reconsider.
Yes, this still remains true. Since they are "colder", cabin heat also takes a long time to kick in. In fact a friend of mine who was in Germany a couple of weeks ago was complaining that the rental VW Sharan CDI minivan that he was driving took forever to get heated up inside partly due to the high efficient common rail direct injection diesel engine. Something to consider as well, for the winter months.

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The only reason why diesel is so popular in Europe is because of gas prices and the high fuel consumption of suvs. Here in NA, we do not have to worry about that yet.
Yes it started out in the small cars there and has spreaded to the larger ones too. However given their sulphur-free/low sulphur diesel over there, plus the abundance of diesel filling stations it makes sense.
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I dont know about you guys i always like diesel engines specially the ML 270cdi engine, th...

I dont know about you guys i always like diesel engines specially the ML 270cdi engine, the major thing i like about it is it's fuel effeciency, i'm realy not into speeds i'm more of just a everyday driving.

I actually went back home in asia and there was a massive flood in the philippines my brother was driving a Mitsubishi Pajero aka MONTERO diesel CDI engien and we just drove past by the flood i think it was like 3 feet flood or something, i was worried that the water would damage the engine, but it didn't wohoo it was a great ride. hehehehe
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Re: I admit though, there is an abundant amount of torque for diesels...

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If it remains true about harder starting in cold weather, then people that live in extreme cold climates like Kamloops [:D] should reconsider.

The only reason why diesel is so popular in Europe is because of gas prices and the high fuel consumption of suvs. Here in NA, we do not have to worry about that yet.
We have lots of diesil stations in the interior and it hasen't gotten below -5 this year yet. All my snow is gone.

We should worry about the high fuel consumption. That too is bad for the environment.

As for it being bad for your health, so is gasoline, but you don't hear about that because we burn more of it than diesil. Do you not think that oil companies own shares of auto companies?

And I agree with BOY-6, the ML is not about speed, and never will be. The ml55 can only hit 0-60 in 6.6. If I want those numbers, I fire up the GTI. I want the around town usable torque.

Have you driven a new TDI lately? They are 2000% better than diesils use to be. Plus the VW TDI we get over here is 2 generations behind what is in Europe.

Once we get the low-sulfur diesil, people will learn again. Tons of torque, great fuel economy, 1 drive is all it takes.

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I also like the European idea of purchasing vehicles. First, you pick the vehicle size ...

I also like the European idea of purchasing vehicles.

First, you pick the vehicle size you want. Then you pick the engine you can afford. Then, if you have money left over, the options.

For example, you could purchase a new E-Class sedan because you need the size to hold 5 adults (the C won't cut it).

Then, you get the 240 petrol or 270 CDI engine because that it all you can afford, don't need the most powerful beast on the raod, just one of the safest.

Then you pick some of the options that you really must have. Give up alloy wheels to have xenon lights and headlight washers. Ditch the Command system because you will never need the navigation portion. Cloth instead of leather so you can afford heater seats and mirrors. Some poeple put safety ahead of style, most of you, that is why you bought and ML (I am not saying it isn't good looking, because it is).

I don't like the idea of being told what I can and cannot have in my vehicle. MB Canada is like this in some respects, but the engine choices are limited to what the US gets.

Hopefully they will figure out that Canadians are different and have different needs. VW has, for the most part, we get the Golf CL, the US doesn't. We may get the Smart, the US probably won't. Fuel is expensive here, not like in the US.
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IMO, it will be another 5-7 years before diesels take a fair chunk of the market...

there has to be more diesel stations around.

Also, the petro engines are more and more environmental friendly (ie. SULEV standard)

But whatever turns you on...[;)][:D][:)]
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Old 01-09-2003, 07:30 AM   #10 (permalink)
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Over 50% of all VW Jettas currently sold in Canada are TDIs. There is diesel available ...

Over 50% of all VW Jettas currently sold in Canada are TDIs.

There is diesel available at almost every service station in Kamloops.

Most trucks up here are already diesel, so they have to cater to the market.

BC is not just the lower mainland[;)]
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