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This ATF says it meets 236.10 (ie for 722.6 tranny)

Has anyone used it or willing to make comments?...

100% Synthetic Multi Vehicle Automatic Transmission Fluid - Nulon Products Australia

Surely they can't put that on the label unless it has been tested by MB to meet that spec? can they? Where can I find tha latest list of approved oils?

it is an Australian company, and I am thinking about using it for a drain and refil on my ML270. I will do the trans filter at a later date, and will probably use the MB 236.12 fluid at that time.

I know it is silly to save $200 on oil for a $5000 trans, but it is just for an intermediate drain and refill, to tide me over until I do a proper oli/filter change. The car is new to me, so I just want to make sure it is good to go for the next 15k miles before I go ahead with the proper fluid change.
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Has anyone used it or willing to make comments?...

100% Synthetic Multi Vehicle Automatic Transmission Fluid - Nulon Products Australia

Surely they can't put that on the label unless it has been tested by MB to meet that spec? can they? Where can I find tha latest list of approved oils?

it is an Australian company, and I am thinking about using it for a drain and refil on my ML270. I will do the trans filter at a later date, and will probably use the MB 236.12 fluid at that time.

I know it is silly to save $200 on oil for a $5000 trans, but it is just for an intermediate drain and refill, to tide me over until I do a proper oli/filter change. The car is new to me, so I just want to make sure it is good to go for the next 15k miles before I go ahead with the proper fluid change.
Don't use it . M/B is very specific about using their fluid. Buy their fluid and be done with it.
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The latest word and approved ATF fluids are listed below.
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Wow it looks like even MB can't specify a fluid that will work properly in 722.9 - I'm glad I don't have one of them, who really needs 7 gears anyway?

I have also found a second local product that says it meets 236.12 from Penrite...
http://www.penrite.com.au/files/V3KB.../SIN%20ATF.pdf
but for the $100 saving I think I will just go to to the stealer and bend over, allthough now I'm not so sure even they will provide the "best" oil available, since it looks like they are grasping a bit with all these spec changes. Its a far cry from sealed for life!

The reason I'm wanting to do the trans oil is that the truck is new to me, and there is a note in the recent (non-MB) service history that they "flushed" the trans with 4 litres of "High Temp ATF" whatever that is. The trans shifts perfectly after nearly 150k mi, but the fluid in it now is definately well used. So I just want some peace of mind really.
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Wow it looks like even MB can't specify a fluid that will work properly in 722.9 - I'm glad I don't have one of them, who really needs 7 gears anyway?

I have also found a second local product that says it meets 236.12 from Penrite...
http://www.penrite.com.au/files/V3KB.../SIN%20ATF.pdf
but for the $100 saving I think I will just go to to the stealer and bend over, allthough now I'm not so sure even they will provide the "best" oil available, since it looks like they are grasping a bit with all these spec changes. Its a far cry from sealed for life!

The reason I'm wanting to do the trans oil is that the truck is new to me, and there is a note in the recent (non-MB) service history that they "flushed" the trans with 4 litres of "High Temp ATF" whatever that is. The trans shifts perfectly after nearly 150k mi, but the fluid in it now is definately well used. So I just want some peace of mind really.
How can you save $100? Is this in US dollars or your currency? MB ATF is $15 in US. Total cost here would be $60. You already have two kinds of ATF. It doesn't make sense to add third different type of ATF and 15k km later add the fourth kind of ATF.
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How can you save $100? Is this in US dollars or your currency? MB ATF is $15 in US. Total cost here would be $60.
In in Australia, they chage $25 per litre here. I'm planning on dropping the pan for 4l then disconnecting a cooler line and using the internal trans pump to flush through a further 4l in 1l steps.

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You already have two kinds of ATF. It doesn't make sense to add third different type of ATF and 15k km later add the fourth kind of ATF.
Yes good point.

But how can these companies say their fluid meets 236.x and yet it isn't on the MB list?
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But how can these companies say their fluid meets 236.x and yet it isn't on the MB list?
What makes one particular fluid unique is the additives. Without comparing the formulas, one cannot tell 100% sure that third party fluid is safe to use. To answer your question, only the third party manufacturer can tell you why their fluid fits the MB specifications.

MB contracts one or two manufacturers to produce the fluid. They make money selling their product at a premium price just like pharmaceutical companies. Why should they let other manufacturers to sell the same fluid at a cheaper price?.
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MB contracts one or two manufacturers to produce the fluid. They make money selling their product at a premium price just like pharmaceutical companies. Why should they let other manufacturers to sell the same fluid at a cheaper price?.
Ok thanks that makes sense. Hmmmm, but then why on the engine oil sheets (eg. 229.3 and 229.5) there are loads of different manufacturers oils specified?
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Ok thanks that makes sense. Hmmmm, but then why on the engine oil sheets (eg. 229.3 and 229.5) there are loads of different manufacturers oils specified?
You are asking about list of engine oils. First, it's not that much of a big issue for engine as it is for transmission. You change the engine oil every 10k miles. Second, 722.6 and 722.9 transmissions were marketed as filled for life. Demand for transmission oil is much smaller therefore you don't need a bigger market.
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Well I changed the ATF and filter today, with MB 236.10 @$25/l (about USD$20/l at time of writing). The 236.12 fluid is $46/l so there is no way that is ever going to happen. I didn't even bother asking about 236.14.

I only changed 4l since my plans to flush the transmission at the cooler were thwarted when the thing I thought was the trans cooler actually had coolant in it instead! No idea what that cooler is for - looks exactly like a trans cooler sat in front of the intercooler, anyway.

The ATF that came out was a very dark brown colour. The pan looked pretty clean though. So I will let the new 4l of fluid do its job for 15k and then drop another pan-full (I bought 8l) and then leave it at that.

Thanks again everyone for all the help.
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