Small AMG SUV w/diesel?

[bocabenz]

Originally Posted by HarmsWay

Why would anyone want an AMG period?

0-60 in 4.8sec (ML63) - enough said.


Is it me or is MB making too many models and cannibalizing their sales, possibly to their own detriment?

[HarmsWay]

Exactly. My point was that a small SUV in AMG form could be just as appealing as the ML63.

And yes, too many models. MB seems to be following the Chrysler business model.

[Kajtek1]

Originally Posted by DelJ

AMG diesel? Sounds like an oxymoron to me! If you can afford an AMG then you can afford gas over diesel. And no, the diesel will not be faster than gas for similar engines.

Also, why would anyone want a smaller SUV at an AMG price?

DelJ

Aren't diesels winning Formula1 lately?
I think there is huge market for 40 mpg SUV in USA.
RAV4 is very popular vehicle for young as well as elderly drivers. I think that with a bit bigger size and star on the hood it would sell well.

[DelJ]

Does less of a car really mean more performance? Or, does one just have less of a car?

DelJ

Originally Posted by HarmsWay

...Performance would be interesting. If the vehicle is two thirds the weight of the ML that would help.

[DelJ]

Of course there is a huge market for an efficient SUV. But, an AMG is not exactly an efficient drivetrain.

DelJ

Originally Posted by Kajtek1

..I think there is huge market for 40 mpg SUV in USA.
RAV4 is very popular vehicle for young as well as elderly drivers.

[laxman0324]

Originally Posted by Kajtek1

Aren't diesels winning Formula1 lately?
I think there is huge market for 40 mpg SUV in USA.
RAV4 is very popular vehicle for young as well as elderly drivers. I think that with a bit bigger size and star on the hood it would sell well.

I believe its the Audi R10 has been winning in Le Mans races... V10 diesel. Go to one of those races and be deafened by all of the corvettes and astons and prototypes, then the only thing you here when that thing flies by is the air moving over the bodywork...absolutely insane.

I went to the debut race for it (12 hrs of Sebring in 06) and they had to put traction control on them because the torque was so great it was ripping up the track. They perform better, and can go many more laps b4 pitting...there only problem was keeping the engine cool

[HarmsWay]

Originally Posted by DelJ

Does less of a car really mean more performance? Or, does one just have less of a car?

Power to weight ratio is always a factor in performance.

[DelJ]

Some people can only see 0-60 mph times. Others can appreciate the vehicle as a whole. A motorcycle will usually beat a car, although I would not regard a motorcycle engine as a "high performance" engine, or even the motorcycle for that matter. The motorcycle is fast only because it has so little work to do.

DelJ

Originally Posted by HarmsWay

Power to weight ratio is always a factor in performance.

[Kajtek1]

Originally Posted by DelJ

Of course there is a huge market for an efficient SUV. But, an AMG is not exactly an efficient drivetrain.

DelJ

Sounds like you don't know much about diesels?
Diesels are slower at green light because of heavier components, but the huge torque difference makes them big winners in 50-70 acceleration. To the degree that 4-cylinder diesel usually beats V6 in the same car.
Than you haven't heard about V10 diesel Volkswagen makes mostly for Touraegs? The engine has electronically limited torque to avoid tearing the car apart.
This is the engine they used for towing 150 tons Boeing 747

[DelJ]

Wrong on just about everything you said.

The turbodiesels are slow off the mark because the turbos have not had a chance to spin up. This applies to all turbo engines, gas or diesel.

50-70 mph performance is not exclusively dictated be fuel type. Many factors are involved.

Sorry, smaller diesels do not beat bigger gas engines of the same type (normal, turbo, kompressor, etc). Typically, the diesel is slower for the same engine type, size and vehicle weight.

The V10 VW diesel is fine, but a V10 gas engine would be even faster.

Many modern engines have electronic limiters to prevent damage. Fuel type is not a dominate factor.

You are right about one thing: diesels are great for towing. Now, how fast is that 747 being towed?

DelJ

Originally Posted by Kajtek1

Sounds like you don't know much about diesels?
Diesels are slower at green light because of heavier components, but the huge torque difference makes them big winners in 50-70 acceleration. To the degree that 4-cylinder diesel usually beats V6 in the same car.
Than you haven't heard about V10 diesel Volkswagen makes mostly for Touraegs? The engine has electronically limited torque to avoid tearing the car apart.
This is the engine they used for towing 150 tons Boeing 747