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I've seen a lot of posts on Trans Fluid with most saying use only MB fluid.

Why is this? Is there a special additive in the MB brand? I always thought that just like engine oil, as long as it met OEM specs, you could use any brand that you liked.

When I look at the factory approved service products list, it lists several brands of Dextron-III/Mercon ATF.

Assuming I have a drain plug in my torque convertor, can I drain it an have the trans pump fill it back up? Or, do I need to take it to a shop // change it several times?

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.Hi!
You have to use only MB Tran. Oil.
Why you are looking for something what is no good - only cheap oil?
Original Oil is for life - not recom.to drained.
I change my on 100 000 ml.with Original Synthetic
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I don't agree with Nokia. As long as the oil meets the MB spec

you'll be fine, theoretically. And yes, you can do it anywhere, but I'd rather do it at a MB shop because they'll most likely check other stuff that you may not be aware of and the cost difference may really not be that much (these things runa round $200-$300, I believe). I believe earlier model MLs used to have a T/C drain plug but MY02+ don't have the drain plug. So there'll be some oil - a lot of it - left in the T/C. For this reason alone, I'd say stick with the OEM stuff.

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RE: Factory Approved Service Products - ATF

If you look at the MB approved lubricant list you will see, for example, Dextron ATF. However, there is a footnote specific to the trannies used in the M which specifies that only the MB product (which is made by Shell) is to be used.

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Nokia,
I disagree...are you using OEM (MB) motor oil, tires, light bulbs...the list goes on.
Many OEM lubes are relabeled comercial products, and sometimes using an older formula. I want a good product and if I can save a few $$ way not.

Oh, I didn't use OEM spark plugs for $12 each, I installed Bosch Plat 2s at $4 each, and it's a better plug.

Darkmann, Good point on mixing. I hadn't thought of that. I don't know if mine has a drain plug on the torque converter or not.

I guess this is a moot point since I wasn't aware of the footnote saying MB fluid only. It's hard to get a straight answer since it changes depending on the book you look at.

Thanks. I plan to service the trans when I do the next A service.
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RE: Factory Approved Service Products - ATF

Besides the MB ATF the only non MB ATF is Shell ATF 3403-M115. I suspect Shell codeveloped the 236.10 spec with MB and supplies the MB 236.10 ATF.

Curiously enough Porsche also recommends Shell ATF 3403-M115 for the Carrera Tiptronic. How can that be??? Turns out the Carrera Tiptronic transmission is made by MB, same model as in the W163, the 722.6 W5A 580, that's why it takes the same ATF. So Porsche dealers might also sell the correct ATF and maybe with less markup. [:)]


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I understand you well and I am looking some time for something different.
I use in my ML eng.Amsoil 0w30
Transmission is very complicated - mean electronic control- MB Tran. Oil is very special - we don’t know the specs - long lasting.
If you use other oil may you can get to the problems and replace transmission 7000.00$ ???
Level is very important too - feel up.
I drained my at 100 000 mil - change filter - and refill same quantity what was drained out.
Spark plugs are special made for Benz - look on electrodes size?
When discharge becomes, lots of energy in to cylinder - many other spark plugs have very tiny electrodes - charge is weaker and lower energy.
All engines which one has installed spark plugs with tiny electrodes - have problem to get torque on low rev after speed up start to go. Look Porsche spark plugs have even ticker electrodes.
Look lots of after market things looks grate - why manufacture are not installing this to the engines-
Every manufacture of baggier engines pay Gas Gazlers Tax - if this all extra can do better job why is not in the engines.
Look every body want make living and - look on many product – filter – plugs – spoilers and more – when all is installed on the car – Engines don’t need more gas?????
So high efficiency????
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