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Old 06-14-2004, 02:42 PM   #21 (permalink)
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I take that back!

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If you go to "Registry" and search for member "Mac", you'll see that he apparently irritated someone to the extent that his post count says "Disabled".

I presume that a post of his was such that it was deleted by an admin and earned him a PM/e-mail requesting his future compliance with BenzWorld's terms of membership as a condition to have his account re-enabled.
That is the result of picking "Yes" in your member page to answer "Hide your post count".
This does not hide the count in the thread apparently, but it shows "Disabled" in the member registry.

So it's most likely a self imposed exile. Sort of like when my 3 y.o. goes "You love my sister more than you love me, I'm leaving." I keep telling him it's not true, he does not care. How sad is it? He does not even have a sister!
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Old 05-30-2008, 09:11 AM   #22 (permalink)
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The stock air filter on the ML430 is more than adequate as it stands and draws air in from outside the engine compartment.

Fitting a K&N most likely will shorten the life of the MAF. It may even cause a small drop in power & torque as I suspect the engine will be breathing warmer air inducted from within the engine bay and the induction length will be altered.

Put it up sale on E bay and let somebody else 'benefit' from it.

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hi,
can anyone please help me, i recently bought a Mann engine air filter with a step in it, dont know which way the step goes,as the old filter did not hav the step i hav a ml320. should i put the step towards the front or back of engine.
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Old 05-30-2008, 09:52 AM   #23 (permalink)
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K&N air filter upgrade

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Hey guys,

Ok so a lot of people are saying that installing a K&N air filter is bad and it's going to ruin the MAF and not give any performance/efficiency upgrade. I know it's not goign to give a crazy performance upgrade or anything.

I ordered my K&N filter before reading all the negative posts on it, and now it's sitting on my table.

Has anyone installed it and regretted the decision?

Are there some good experiences you guys have had with a K&N filter installed?


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I hAve a K&N air filter in my ML430 I average 15-16 streets and 20-25 highway.
I think people are getting confused and thinking you need to replace the whole air intake assembly. All you need to do is replce the actual air filter for a K&N. It allows more air into the engine giving you a bit more power. Do not replace the entire air intake! that thing will give you hot air and the size of the filter is very small.
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Old 05-30-2008, 07:55 PM   #24 (permalink)
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I ordered my K&N filter before reading all the negative posts on it, and now it's sitting on my table.

Has anyone installed it and regretted the decision?

Are there some good experiences you guys have had with a K&N filter installed?


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I don't believe they were negative responses. We just posted our thoughts on the K&N filter on the ML. I have used it on my Z's and Pathfinders with no problem whatsoever. However, I will not use it on the ML. I used it just for longevity, not for any power gains. My understanding (maybe rumor) is that MB tested the K&N and rejected it. Since you have it, we'll make you a test case. Install it and report periodically.
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Old 05-31-2008, 11:40 AM   #25 (permalink)
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Old 05-31-2008, 03:13 PM   #26 (permalink)
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Not worth the effort. No discernable gains, maybe more engine wear. Save your money! This is based on 30 years experience with BMWs and M-B
how many of the years experience did you have k&n filters?

People have their strong opinions about this subject, but it bothers me when they make assumptions as to how noticeable the wear is when it cannot be proven. The wear from K&N is just as noticeable as how fast the car becomes when you vacuum the carpets of your car.
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Old 05-31-2008, 05:47 PM   #27 (permalink)
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how many of the years experience did you have k&n filters?

People have their strong opinions about this subject, but it bothers me when they make assumptions as to how noticeable the wear is when it cannot be proven. The wear from K&N is just as noticeable as how fast the car becomes when you vacuum the carpets of your car.
LOL. I agree.

I have been to the SEMA AUTO Show in vegas and the K&N company has a demonstration both with thousands of proven results in performance. I think what causes the most damage of any the air filter on the market other than K&N is not enough air passing through them. Depriving the engine of air leads to major damage and gas cunsumption.
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Old 05-31-2008, 08:16 PM   #28 (permalink)
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LOL. I agree.

I have been to the SEMA AUTO Show in vegas and the K&N company has a demonstration both with thousands of proven results in performance. I think what causes the most damage of any the air filter on the market other than K&N is not enough air passing through them. Depriving the engine of air leads to major damage and gas cunsumption.
So r u saying that Mercedes Engineers did not do their homework of putting in the right filter? LOL
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Old 06-01-2008, 11:27 AM   #29 (permalink)
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So r u saying that Mercedes Engineers did not do their homework of putting in the right filter? LOL
did ford engineers also know what they were doing when they put gas tanks behind the rear bumper of the ford pinto? did they not do their homework when they put those tires that were popping on the Ford expeditions? yes, that is ford, but that's the first thing that comes to mind when i hear the engineers knew this and knew that... Even mercedes engineers made mistakes, why is it then ML's have many known common issues like the D pillars painting, heated seats burning pants, steering pump hoses popping, the list can go on too...

engineers are all the same being human and make mistakes, or carry a general motto of doing the better good at the sacrifice of the lesser bad.

The paper filter helps the majority of the consumers, while it does sacrifice flow, period.

If we're talking performance, how can you argue that having more flow is bad for the engine when the engine's performance is based on how much air it can access and pump to produce higher RPM's. The longevity of the engine with a microscopic bacteria and molecules entering the engine k&N vs paper as I said earlier is all in the mind. This debate is no different than comparing changing oil every 3000 miles vs every 3500 miles. How much longer will your car last if you did it at 3000?

If it makes your car last if you do fewer miles per interval, why not change then every 2k miles, or even 1k miles? Back to point at hand, why argue about something so minor as to engine wear when it cannot even be proven. But it can be proven K&N filters flow better than paper, hence racers use them. Tell Jeff Gordon to put a paper filter in his race car and see what he says to you.
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did ford engineers also know what they were doing when they put gas tanks behind the rear bumper of the ford pinto? did they not do their homework when they put those tires that were popping on the Ford expeditions? yes, that is ford, but that's the first thing that comes to mind when i hear the engineers knew this and knew that... Even mercedes engineers made mistakes, why is it then ML's have many known common issues like the D pillars painting, heated seats burning pants, steering pump hoses popping, the list can go on too...

engineers are all the same being human and make mistakes, or carry a general motto of doing the better good at the sacrifice of the lesser bad.

The paper filter helps the majority of the consumers, while it does sacrifice flow, period.

If we're talking performance, how can you argue that having more flow is bad for the engine when the engine's performance is based on how much air it can access and pump to produce higher RPM's. The longevity of the engine with a microscopic bacteria and molecules entering the engine k&N vs paper as I said earlier is all in the mind. This debate is no different than comparing changing oil every 3000 miles vs every 3500 miles. How much longer will your car last if you did it at 3000?

If it makes your car last if you do fewer miles per interval, why not change then every 2k miles, or even 1k miles? Back to point at hand, why argue about something so minor as to engine wear when it cannot even be proven. But it can be proven K&N filters flow better than paper, hence racers use them. Tell Jeff Gordon to put a paper filter in his race car and see what he says to you.
You forgot the BIG ONE, the FSS lawsuit Mercedes lost over using Dino Oil in the early trucks. My 2 cents.
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