I bought an '02 ML500 with 23K on it. I now have 64K on it and still haven't replaced the front brake pads. They still have plenty of pad left - even the super cautious dealer says so. So does this mean I have the V6?? Or even the 270 CDI? [:D]
I bought an '02 ML500 with 23K on it. I now have 64K on it and still haven't replaced the front brake pads. They still have plenty of pad left - even the super cautious dealer says so. So does this mean I have the V6?? Or even the 270 CDI? [:D]
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If you are to claim that your statements eclipse all others' for credibility, drop the "I beat that 911 off the line while smoking a cigar and reading the paper"
You may do well to remember that your experience is not the only experience people ever have had with an ML. Mercedes-Benz would be in a world of pain if you were their only ML customer.
Consider yourself lucky, and because you are such a lucky guy, keep a healthy perspective that would give others the benefit of the doubt when they state they've had problems with their ML.
Of course, one wonders why nothing on your side is ever substantiated, while all my claims are duly documented by the local Mercedes-Benz dealer, in their work orders (Hey, Mac, ever thought Mercedes-Benz dealers were in on the anti Mercedes-Benz conspiracy, that would make for credible posts).
Mind you, I have never complained about excessive wear on the brakes. I first changed them all around at 16K miles, along with four tires, two important safety components I never mock with (BTW, if you doubt this, I do have the work order documentation and of the work performed and the price for each, along with ancillary things (my choice to do intermediary oil changes, a cleaning of the A/C vents and conduits) the bill was for $1400, and you would be hard pressed to find me complain about it at the time. I have posted on this when it happened last summer (can't get the search function to work...) and also mentioned that we had been made aware of the brake wear before we bought the ML and it did not disuade us. While I am convinced that my driving the ML harder than most contributed in great fashion to the wear on brakes and tires, their is evidence that the V8s eat more brakes than the V6.
If you'd rather people shut up about issues with their MLs, why don't you blatantly say so, maybe Drew could oblige and have a new forum created for you specifically. Otherwise, this forum is a great outlet for people with issues to find other users who have had the same problems and have a resolution to contribute, unless, of course, your Mac-nanimous self cannot bear helping those MLers in need. The squealing brakes corrected by pasting the back of the pads is not an uncommon procedure on MLs, contrary to what you would have the world believe.
Drew,
If you read this, can I give up my 4000+ post count to Mac? He seems to have an unhealthy fixation about post counts. He claims there exists an inverse relationship between number of posts and usefullness of said posts (he shamefully forgot to cite you as the exception). After all, if he believes that it would improve his status and credibility, we might as well entertain him in his dilusion.
PS. I shamefully have to report that I was beat by an Enzo off the line. I have no excuse, my driving skills are clearly deficient, my RT was simplyu atrocious.
PPS. I did catch up and passed him at the next corner, red cars simply cannot take corners as fast as brilliant silver trucks!
Yes - this is a gathering spot for ML lovers, ML haters, ML neutralists - but like any gathering spot, haters will find themselves not being welcome much. It is a forum for likeminded people - the thing that this forum does so magically is that it brings together all sorts of age, demographics and geographies to ENHANCE the enjoyment of the ML, and partake in some spirited political debates once in a while, and even rejoice in one another's truimphs and console disappointments.
I am a ML lover. I don't like ML haters. I don't think this place is a good long term home for ML haters. I can always appreciate a good ML neutralist comment - absolutely. But I don't come here to read about how much they hate the ML, or MB, or whatever.
Simple as that.
This forum is FUNDED by ML and MB lovers - Frank and Drew didn't put this site up for charity.
In fact, Frank and Drew created this site to enhance our enjoyment of MB products - and it is advertiser supported. Notice who the advertsers are. They continue to fund this site because other MB lovers buy products from this site while coming across their ads. I for one now buy all my parts from the advertisers here.
This is NO one's private pulpit for ML haters. Sorry. They should do that somewhere else on their own dime. So I have NO QUALMS chasing off ML haters who flame this site over and over again. They will eventually chase off sponsors, which will mean eventually this very valuable forum may get shut off.
What would you classify me as, Lover, Hater, or Neutralist?
There is a continuum that spans from hater to lover, and although you make your points admirably, at the root of the problem is a fundamental issue. Is there a need to call a troubled MLr a hater on the basis that one is a completely satisfied ML owner? I do not accuse you of such, but Mac is as close to this description as can be.
Let's take the present case, squealing brakes.
I know you have enormous consideration for Mac, and probably disdain for my antics, but do you think Mac is wise for flaming a forum member who's asking about a fix for his squealing brakes and replying back with some arrogant and contemptous post about suing your shoe store for uneven wear of your shoes heal?
From someone else (Chuck V, UncAl), it could be construed as sarcasm, Mac, unfortunately, is as sincere as he is misguided.
Until this day, I never talked about my squealing brakes on the forum. When I come forth with issues, they are issues (two fuel pumps one of which left me stranded, locks shot, I don't even think I mentioned the passenger seat which would cram you against the dash, etc...). I'm not happy with the rattles and squeaks but have not made them a battle horse against the holy happy MLr community.
Until this day that is, because I felt that balance needed to be restored. I don't think that the original poster's question should have been dismissed by some stupid remark. Your brakes don't squeal? Fine! His may and he needed to hear the brake paste fix from someone probably more than he needed the shoestore "analogy". Mine did and that is the fix I was given. Since, I have chosen to go with other OEM pads that Pete F had tested for us.
It is your right to chose to reply to my post directly, as you have done above, to show your disagreement with my principles. It is also your right to chose not to reply to Mac and thus condone his attitude. It simply appears to me that the record needs to be balanced and individuals' experiences not be dismissed in a self-gratifying move.
My opinion is not to be construed as any kind of benchmark, but I thought you might have missed my point, while you clearly did not miss Mac's point in his quite helpful answer to a new member.
I'll answer the question for you:
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This is NO one's private pulpit for ML haters. Sorry.
This could indicate that you think that I use this forum as my private pulpit for my hate of the ML. On the other hand, maybe you typed "Sorry" after realizing you had just made a mistake?
You probably think I am a hater. I am when the fuel pump let's me stranded.
You might think I am a lover. I am most of the time.
You could think I am a neutralist. I am to restore a heathy sense of balance ad perspective that certain people seem to lack. I also know that I really did not pay that much for this truck, and I got what MB advertised in their initial goals for the ML. An explorer with MB safety features and powertrain, for just a few $1000 more than the Ford product. I was not expecting a G out of this transaction, and I got what I paid for.
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We have all been guilty of sarcasm on this board. Your nor Mac nor I are alone. Sometimes we just get that way - newbies or not - with one another.
I do think that you sometimes go further than I would expect in terms of launching into a full blown attack on someone the moment you see a post you disagree with. You tend to research and quote everything that anyone has ever written and find a way to turn it around on them. That certainly raises the hit count on the forum - maybe you work for Drew for that specific purpose! [:p]
I don't consider you an ML hater or neutralist or ML lover. I consider you as someone who enjoys this site for it's vast subjects that it covers beyond MB or ML.
Neither of us contribute as much towards inspiring others to further their ML's enjoyment - such as Uncal or Andy or Al Sayeegh or Ahopeter or Scorchie or Crod or Benza or PaulHdick or JimB. (excuse me for anyone else I may have missed)
But perhaps we do help drive up spirited discussions once in a while.
Chuck V - 6/3/2004 10:08 AM
Welcome to BenzWorld.org ... The Mercedes-Benz Owner's Community... the good, the bad and the ugly.
OK, first you talk about "community", then you classify us as "the good, the bad and the ugly".
What are you saying, Chuck? That communities have their "good sections" and their "bad sections"? Like some of the folks here are from the "wrong side of the tracks"? Is that it? So, some are good, some are bad, and some are ugly? Are you saying I'm ugly? Huh? Is that it? Who you been talking to ... Ratso? HUH? IS THAT IT?
Just cause yer rich and have a bunch of servants and expensive cars and all, I don't think you should make fun of people like that! Just don't push me, Mr. Chuck! Don't make me push the button ...
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Without even mentioning his name, he quickly saw himself reflected in these words:
"Remember, when you post your 'ton of links,' make sure to discount the data accordingly, e.g., when you have a prodigious ditherer with 4,000 posts on your list, make sure to give my experiences 20x more weight . . ."
The "prodigious ditherer." He takes umbrage. His posts become more acerbic. He wheedles some more to really stake his claim. Any discussion with him is a waste of breath.
Posting is his hobby and all of his opinions, attititudes and supposed aims are feins: useful artifacts, giving rise to another round of blather.
He probably lies, cheats and steals too but I would not know except that he does seem to be the type of personality that is destroying the country. Oh! did I overstate that? Oh well . . . doesn't matter: Right? Just making an arguement which is all that seems to be possible his sort dominates the gathering. No harm done except to any reasoned search for truth.
Mac - 6/3/2004 10:18 AM
Without even mentioning his name, he quickly saw himself reflected in these words:
"Remember, when you post your 'ton of links,' make sure to discount the data accordingly, e.g., when you have a prodigious ditherer with 4,000 posts on your list, make sure to give my experiences 20x more weight . . ."
Forgive me for using all means at my disposal. It is easy enough to go to the Registry and identify who is above and who is under the 4000 count.
I mentioned the other 4000+ poster, Drew, and quickly went on to specify that he was most likely the exception to your rule. Perhaps you've read it but missed it?
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The "prodigious ditherer." He takes umbrage. His posts become more acerbic. He wheedles some more to really stake his claim. Any discussion with him is a waste of breath.
Humbrage? Why, I would have to feel offended first. You're not yet at a level that I would find enough credibility in your posts to feel offended by what others call insults.
For the "waste of breath part", I only have to say that you have never been able to support your claims, and rejected every opportunity I have laid to refute mine. I suppose you should be given you enough credit to recognize that when presented with the truth, you will not be so sick as to deny the facts, then again, I might just be premature and you might yet seize that opportunity at a later time...
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He probably lies, cheats and steals too but I would not know except that he does seem to be the type of personality that is destroying the country.
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