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Photo DIY- Coolant Service- a la Vacuum Method

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#1 · (Edited)
Yes, a very basic maintenance item, but one I think is overlooked, and often is POORLY and INCOMPLETELY performed.

Ask the "Stealership" *HOW* they do their $49.95 "Coolant" services...... I think you will find *MOST* will just drain the Radiator, and Refill.... end of story!
This leaves around 1/3 of the fluid still in the system. Yes, perhaps an infusion of fresh anticorrosive coolant is better than nothing,,,,, I believe in the WIS SPECIFIED method of Coolant Service as shown in this Post.

Personally I do Coolant Service every TWO years, instead of the "recommended" THREE years. I live in a horribly harsh environment of heat, humidity and salt, thus, my desire to have a more "accelerated" schedule. I also change the brake fluid ANNUALLY.

Since I do a "complete" drain frequently, I see no need to do the "Fresh Water 'FLUSH'".... Plus, I've NEVER understood the logic of how one estimates how much Straight fluid to add to compensate for the residual "Water" in the inner spaces of the engine. And, on the "modern" motors, how do you CHECK the true concentration??? All you are checking is the RESERVOIR, and NOT the actual fluid moving around IN the engine!!

Please use care when working with the coolant system. ONLY open the system with temps less than 90C, and do it SLOWLY. Wear a face shield, gloves and protective clothing.

Please Dispose of the Coolant per your LOCAL regulations, even though it is classified as "Biodegradable".

Apparently Zerex 05 is the "same" thing as the MB fluid for cheaper. WIS allow Distilled H2O. (Our water here is horrible).

I would strongly recommend the Vacuum Fill method. With the "Remote" expansion reservoirs, and their "weenie" tube with go to the radiator, it takes a long time to fill with the normal "gravity" method.. Plus you have the issue of "burping" out any retained bubbles in the system.
 

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Yes, I know there are alot of things to get... Please note, though, I am one of these anal people who like to do things "by the book"... thus, I tend to have on hand the WIS specified tools and procedures. My posts are geared to be more of a "color pictorial" of the WIS black and white "written" instructions.

There are TWO options for the Vacuum systems...

A- The "Cheap-O"(relative) --> I have one of these "Fleabay" systems... funny, they were like... $60 bucks not toooo long ago.. now nearly twice that..

UView Airlift Cooling System Leak Tester Airlock Purge: eBay Motors (item 350326524547 end time Jul-07-10 16:31:14 PDT)

No experience with this one for a Pressure tester: STANT 12270 RADIATOR COOLING SYSTEM & PRESSURE TESTER: eBay Motors (item 260621090078 end time Jul-16-10 11:08:26 PDT)



B- the MB OEM system, which, like many things, is supplied by another maker.
In this case, "Leitenberger" makes both the PRESSURE TESTER, and the Vacuum systems, as well as the Refractometer (to supply to Hazet AND MB).

It's funny how the SAME exact product can vary so greatly in price, but, in my case, some of the items I got cheaper from the Dealer, other's thru Hazet, and some from Leitenberger itself. You don't want to know how much these items are, though......

Anyway, here is the list for "reference"-

Here's the Pressure testing section:
Cooling system testing equipment
you can also get thru Samstagsales.com-- http://www.samstagsales.com/images/hz4800-9.jpg

and here is the Vacuum Fill Section:
Vacuum cooling system filler

CO2 Tester: CO-2 Leak Detector

Refractometer: Refractometer for radiator antifreeze, windshield washer fluid and battery acid


To be perfectly honest, the "Airlift" (el Cheap-o) with it's "Universal" (Cone shaped Rubber stopper) connector works equally well as the high-end Leitenberger set-up.

One caveat, though.... I don't think you can "reliably" rule out a coolant system leak by SOLELY relying on a "Vacuum Leak" type test. Sooo, to use the Airlift system as both your TESTING, and FILLING.... that's up to you.

The reason I use the Leitenberger is: the Adaptor cap will work for both the PRESSURIZATION test as well as the CO2, and Vacuum-Fill operations.

With 5 cars in the "fleet", and since I typically do a similar service (ie. Coolant service every 2 years) on ALL the cars in one sitting, it is not unusual to have "parallel" servicing going on (a perverbial "menage a trois" of mechanical DIY joy) two cars simultaneously.

Anyway, enough babble from me...

G
 
#8 ·
Very nice write-up. I have been using the vac-fill tool for years and it is the only way to go. Using the refractometer is also a good practice that few people utilize, nice touch.
I would also mention that the coolant that is in the de-gas bottle is representative of the coolant as a whole since all the coolant in the engine will eventually circulate through it, as opposed to the old style bottles that were just overflow containers. Thanks again for a very nice DIY.
 
#10 ·
Thank you so much!

I found that it is easy to drain the system and flush it out by using a tennis ball to block the lower radiator hole while holding a garden hose on the coolant reservoir to flow clean water in tot the system and rain all coolant.

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#11 ·
This is very helpful especially when I am about to do this with the car approaching 92K miles.

I was wondering at 92K and 13 years old would it be prudent to replace some of the hoses while the system is dry?

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#19 ·
Well, it's been my understanding for more years than I can remember that G 05 is a dead match to OEM MB coolant. I've run it in every Mercedes I've owned and never looked back. Every forum I participate in also suggest "USE ONLY OEM MB coolant or G 05" G 05 has the same ph balance etc as the coolant that pours out of a Mercedes jug.
 
#23 ·
After falling down the rabbit hole, I found this old thread and as usual, it's full of good stuff.

First, do we really think the vast majority of shops, dealership or indy, would do a flush the proper way? I personally wouldn't trust anyone!

Second, without a mentor, I don't think I could be trusted to do this correctly.

These cars have a myriad of levels of maintenance that make my small brain hurt. Anyone have plans to start a club? Like Friday night poker but for MB's. You could Skype a project de jour... Sharing your knowledge brings great satisfaction to the simple folk like me.