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Old 06-05-2008, 10:29 AM   #1 (permalink)
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1995 S500 Please help...

On one of my other posts I asked a question about what else I could have to fix to make my car run again...here is the list of the things I have done...
EZL w/new coils
MAF
Throttle body actuator
Plugs
Wires
Fuel pump relay

I went today because we took the performance chip out of the car and replaced the original OEM chip but the car still turns over but then it dies right after it starts. The question he asked today is what makes the injectors click? He cant figure out why it wont run and he is at the end of his whits...I was there about 4 weeks ago...now it has been 6 weeks with no car. I dont know if anyone here has done all this work before, or even if there is a person on here that is in Boston that knows about these cars that might want to make some extra $$ to come take a look at it. Any more advice is very appreciated because I keep bringing it back to him and he checks them out. Thanks in advance
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Old 06-05-2008, 11:24 AM   #2 (permalink)
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When was the last time you changed the fuel filters? is the fuel pump working properly?
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Old 06-05-2008, 09:26 PM   #3 (permalink)
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On one of my other posts I asked a question about what else I could have to fix to make my car run again...here is the list of the things I have done...
EZL w/new coils
MAF
Throttle body actuator
Plugs
Wires
Fuel pump relay

I went today because we took the performance chip out of the car and replaced the original OEM chip but the car still turns over but then it dies right after it starts. The question he asked today is what makes the injectors click? He cant figure out why it wont run and he is at the end of his whits...I was there about 4 weeks ago...now it has been 6 weeks with no car. I dont know if anyone here has done all this work before, or even if there is a person on here that is in Boston that knows about these cars that might want to make some extra $$ to come take a look at it. Any more advice is very appreciated because I keep bringing it back to him and he checks them out. Thanks in advance
With the above components replaced, there is alot of room for possible errors. When it dies... is it being put into gear (as in transmission)? Or does it not idle at all? Was the engine running prior to the parts replaced?

If anyone has replaced the Chip..... were the proper static/ stray voltage issues considered when reinstalling the chip? Doesn't take but a very minute voltage to damage that eprom.... I would back up and start here and move through everything.... The EZL does alot of math and it does not take much to foul up a checksum calculation and everything is fouled up from there.

Please reverify the above components are all functional and properly in place. The ignition module has a critical vacuum source connected to lower intake manifold.... please reverify this is in place.

Also, please ask the Tech to please recheck the ETA (Electronic Throttle Actuator) is still entirely reconnected. The linkage has a tendency to be jammed and appear fine, yet this will NOT ALLOW a proper balance when first started and thus the engine will quickly die after starting. The return spring is easily mis-installed and will appear fine, yet will not function properly and this will impact the idle and cause the condition described. Yes, there are alot of issues that will cause the area of opportunity you describe.... but all one has to do is reverify everything that will cause this condition.

Again, as I have said over and over, hold them accountable and ask for some documentation of what they have done, where is a check-list showing what they have rechecked and what is still under the microscope?

If they are valid Mercedes technicians..... then they will have either the WIS, Star or some other Diagnostic assist software... if not..... well you know the answer to that one and then the issue is probably within the install of the above mentioned components.....

Recheck your ETA and the control of your Injection/Ignition system (EZL) all via the 38 pin diagnostic connector and Mercedes Software

ALL valid Mercedes Technicians/ Mechanix's will have access too!

If the engine dies when first placed in the "drive position".. Ask your Mechanic to humor us and double check the Transmission control harness connector for a good connection and NO accumulation of debris or moisture..

As mentioned prior, have the engine checked for any coded information. If they are unable to interpret..... No Problem... get us the information and we will help you get down the Diagnostic Trail to Mercedes Proper Operation. I/ We Promise!

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Old 06-06-2008, 02:19 PM   #4 (permalink)
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On one of my other posts I asked a question about what else I could have to fix to make my car run again...here is the list of the things I have done...
EZL w/new coils
MAF
Throttle body actuator
Plugs
Wires
Fuel pump relay

I went today because we took the performance chip out of the car and replaced the original OEM chip but the car still turns over but then it dies right after it starts. The question he asked today is what makes the injectors click? He cant figure out why it wont run and he is at the end of his whits...I was there about 4 weeks ago...now it has been 6 weeks with no car. I dont know if anyone here has done all this work before, or even if there is a person on here that is in Boston that knows about these cars that might want to make some extra $$ to come take a look at it. Any more advice is very appreciated because I keep bringing it back to him and he checks them out. Thanks in advance

Hopefully this should assist ......

OPERATION
The LH control module grounds the electrical circuit to operate the injectors. If the solenoid is energized, the needle valve is lifted approx. 1 mm (0.39 in.) off its seat in less then 1 millisecond. The air/fuel mixture is controlled by the duration of the "open" (injector is energized) cycle which determines the amount of atomized fuel injected into the intake manifold.

The fuel quantity injected by the fuel injectors is dependent on the opening duration of the valve. This opening duration is influenced by the battery voltage. In order to equalize the injected fuel quantity under fluctuating battery voltage, the LH control modules correct the opening duration of the injection valves.

Lower battery voltage = Longer opening duration
Higher battery voltage = Shorter opening duration

This Power Plant demands a lot of loop sensor systems and counts on the information to adjust the amount of fuel dispensed into the cylinders verses the amount of air your foot (ie: throttle) is dumping into the ETA (passed the MAF... which is monitoring the amount of ma required to keep the resistive conductor/film at a calculated temperature value.... this milli-ampere difference is the key to the EZL/LH-SFI calculations for the amount of fuel (as "DURATION" described.... to ensure the air/fuel ie:rich/lean mixture is optimal for performance, etc.

Your oxygen sensors are also alowing feedback as to the actual oxygen quantity leaving your power plant as well and there are many other sensor loops also involved including cam timing adjustments with your cam position sensor as a reference and more.

Hopefully you are utilizing a Technician that has access to a STAR diagnostic or similiar system or at minimum use the 38 pin/ square MB box diagnostic to 38 female pin banana interface w/ 38 banana female plugs (The following unit MB#140589146300..... we have recently located for as little as 155 and up to $175 on to $245.00 and sure helps locating actual pin, etc).

Using the 38 pin diagnostic plug, the Tech could at minimum utilize an O-scope and/or analog/digital multimeter. These would assist with gathering sufficient diagnostic feedback... including further On Board Diagnostic data.

Robert

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