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#71 (permalink) Old 11-21-2011, 03:41 PM
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Back at it tonight, there was mention of rain so I moved some things around in the garage, hooked up a shop light and moved the 560 inside so I could continue this.

I went back and looked over what Snake had mentioned about removing the drip rail(wind deflector)and when I looked closely at the pics I noticed that he had removed it. So I am working on that right now but I am stuck at how to remove it thus far but I will figure it out though I just don't want to break anything.

Here are some pics of the W140 wind deflector and mounting brackets along with what I've had time to do. It's a mess right now.

Oh and Snake, it is the driver side accordion lower metal rail that I am missing, I could not find it anywhere in or around the S500 at the yard and do not see a part # on the other side to go by.
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#72 (permalink) Old 11-21-2011, 05:38 PM
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Got the W126 drip rail assembly removed and the area cleaned up. I laid the W140 drip rail in place and set the glass top in and the drip rail stands too tall in the W126 sunroof cartridge, panel sticks up about a 1/4 inch so I believe the W140 cartridge has a deeper pan than that of the W126.

I am once again trying to remove the pins from the slider. Snake, witch way did you push yours out. There is a roller wheel on the outside edge that will need to be transferred onto the W140 rail I assume. I will need to repair the W140 rails before I can install them anyway. Each rail has a broken rivet and the keeper is about to come off. Now I see why the sunroof was caulked shut on the S500, everything was shattered.
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Got the W126 drip rail assembly removed and the area cleaned up. I laid the W140 drip rail in place and set the glass top in and the drip rail stands too tall in the W126 sunroof cartridge, panel sticks up about a 1/4 inch so I believe the W140 cartridge has a deeper pan than that of the W126.

I am once again trying to remove the pins from the slider. Snake, witch way did you push yours out. There is a roller wheel on the outside edge that will need to be transferred onto the W140 rail I assume. I will need to repair the W140 rails before I can install them anyway. Each rail has a broken rivet and the keeper in about to come off. Now I see why the sunroof was caulked shut on the S500, everything was shattered.
I was able to use the W140 drip rail fine... I used the entire arm assembly though; maybe that's where we differ?

From your pics, it looks like the pins are already out; try pulling them apart! They were nail shaped pins that went through the openings you showed pics of...

I also don't recall my roof having those pieces that are riveted on; Mine was from a 1998. I'll check out the PN tomorrow for you... It'll come together!

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Well I tried to get those pins out but no luck, so I decided to try some of my own mods. I took a good look at both W140 and W126 rails and the back portions where the pin goes are in fact identical. So what I did was took the outer W140 rail, unbolted that from the inner(mounts to sunroof panel)and cut the rear half off and bolted the front portion of the rail back to the inner rail. I then assembled everything back onto the tracks.

I took the advantage of cleaning up in there some and then I installed the glass panel, made a few adjustments and it was in working order, not perfect but it works. The keepers for the sliding cover catch when the roof is opened all the way so I have to be careful until I get the shade installed. I went for a short drive down the road to see how the wind noise was going to be but since I have most of the interior out and the 560 is crammed full of parts so I really couldn't tell much of a change.

I still need to make some adjustments but I think that is going to wait until I get some sunroof paste because everything will have to come back out.

Thanks Snake for all the help you have given here and I am sure that others will most likely be doing this.
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Well I tried to get those pins out but no luck, so I decided to try some of my own mods. I took a good look at both W140 and W126 rails and the back portions where the pin goes are in fact identical. So what I did was took the outer W140 rail, unbolted that from the inner(mounts to sunroof panel)and cut the rear half off and bolted the front portion of the rail back to the inner rail. I then assembled everything back onto the tracks.

I took the advantage of cleaning up in there some and then I installed the glass panel, made a few adjustments and it was in working order, not perfect but it works. The keepers for the sliding cover catch when the roof is opened all the way so I have to be careful until I get the shade installed. I went for a short drive down the road to see how the wind noise was going to be but since I have most of the interior out and the 560 is crammed full of parts so I really couldn't tell much of a change.

I still need to make some adjustments but I think that is going to wait until I get some sunroof paste because everything will have to come back out.

Thanks Snake for all the help you have given here and I am sure that others will most likely be doing this.
Wow you really went all out! The W140 arms fit right into the existing rails you switched out! Check em, they have W126 part numbers. All in all, I think it's totally worth the effort to retrofit; hopefully you get your sliding headliner refinished as soon as I do! I sure hope the club grows!

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Yep, like you said Snake, they will work but for some reason mine were different and my W126 rails at the rear were held in by pressed in pins, all metal rails back there too, strange though. anyhow I got the glass top mounted and it fits in there perfectly like you said although I will need to replace the sunroof seal but dude that's going to be a job for someone else, I'm not touching it!!!

I have the sliding shade and the shell is perfect but the upholstery has seen it's share of abuse so it will need to be recovered as yours does, however I plan on doing mine myself. I am going back to the yard to see if the headliner in the 88 300SEL is the same color as mine or close to it, if it is then I will remove it and use that to recover my sliding shade.

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I'm going to join this "club" as I've always wanted a glass sunroof but thought it was not possible without having a custom one made. Now that an original Mercedes part can be used, I will be gathering parts for this future project.

Thanks for all the detailed info and pictures guys!
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Yep, like you said Snake, they will work but for some reason mine were different and my W126 rails at the rear were held in by pressed in pins, all metal rails back there too, strange though. anyhow I got the glass top mounted and it fits in there perfectly like you said although I will need to replace the sunroof seal but dude that's going to be a job for someone else, I'm not touching it!!!

I have the sliding shade and the shell is perfect but the upholstery has seen it's share of abuse so it will need to be recovered as yours does, however I plan on doing mine myself. I am going back to the yard to see if the headliner in the 88 300SEL is the same color as mine or close to it, if it is then I will remove it and use that to recover my sliding shade.
Seriously pay the guy to do it. I want to shoot myself in the foot for trying to rivet the rear part on. I easily wasted 10 rivets because you have to half squeeze then full squeeze the rivet gun for proper clearance. And it STILL isn't right. UGH.

The only problem with the W126 headliner material is it is split into two parts for the tilt function. The vents are removable as well as handle from the W140 shade, which is made of a fiberglass or resin type material. Scraped off the old stuff and I just have to uncover my W126 one and wrap the W140 one So much to do, so little time!

Congrats on the install, you're gonna love the illusion of more space while driving. I hadn't had a working roof, that's why I jumped at the trial. Thankfully it paid it's dividends!

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I'm going to join this "club" as I've always wanted a glass sunroof but thought it was not possible without having a custom one made. Now that an original Mercedes part can be used, I will be gathering parts for this future project.

Thanks for all the detailed info and pictures guys!
Absolutely! If you need any help obviously hit me up!

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Seriously pay the guy to do it. I want to shoot myself in the foot for trying to rivet the rear part on. I easily wasted 10 rivets because you have to half squeeze then full squeeze the rivet gun for proper clearance. And it STILL isn't right. UGH.

The only problem with the W126 headliner material is it is split into two parts for the tilt function. The vents are removable as well as handle from the W140 shade, which is made of a fiberglass or resin type material. Scraped off the old stuff and I just have to uncover my W126 one and wrap the W140 one So much to do, so little time!

Congrats on the install, you're gonna love the illusion of more space while driving. I hadn't had a working roof, that's why I jumped at the trial. Thankfully it paid it's dividends!
Yeah, I see exactly how that seal is on there and that's why I am going to leave it to the pro's.

I am not going to use the material from my original sunroof cover, i am going to store that away with the original sunroof panel, instead I will take the rear portion of the headliner from one of the parts cars at the salvage yard if I can find one that is the same as mine.

The glass top sunroof does give more headroom above when the shade is open and I have noticed that.

Yes, it paid it's dividends because now other W126 owners have the option to put a glass top in if they so desire and since I have done it I can attest to it being absolutely worth it. Great job Snake.

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