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Old 11-10-2007, 01:36 PM   #11 (permalink)
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The main point of restriction is in the stock cat.

The Magnaflow spun metal cats as we have discussed for a while seem to give the most flow and still maintain emission control.

Many of the Euro kits just address the silencers, which over stock may sound better but provide no additional horsepower.

Agree that larger then a 2.5" pipe would be counter productive.

Best setup is just the individual high flow cats and a rear silencer ( two in the case of a V8)

Are you looking at an x-pipe in your system for balancing and scavenging ?

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First system we looked at takes a single 3" in/out MagnaFlow HiPerformance CAT and a single 3" pipe back to the back exhaust silencer. It provided very good flow but we lost some backpressure. The 2.5" pipe should fix that. I have a former Penske Race Engineer that retired and lives in Lex that is doing the "tuning" part of the design. We started with 3" based on someone else's work and have worked it from that.

The next elements that we WANT to do is headers but there is so little room to work with that we just haven't taken the shop time to begin. That is where the big gain will be. Even the 500E manifolds are NOTHING to be very proud of. Their casting on the inside is sloppy and not very efficient. That is going to have to be next Spring's project. Things are stacking up.
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Old 11-10-2007, 05:49 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Mark me down for one of your exhausts
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Old 11-12-2007, 11:42 AM   #13 (permalink)
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since we're talking about performance, here is what my bone stock E320 did a few days ago... please excuse the quality it was on a cellphone.

YouTube - MBZ E-320 0-60 mph
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Old 11-12-2007, 03:29 PM   #14 (permalink)
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RBYCC You have a PM . Thanks
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Old 11-12-2007, 07:30 PM   #15 (permalink)
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since we're talking about performance, here is what my bone stock E320 did a few days ago... please excuse the quality it was on a cellphone.

YouTube - MBZ E-320 0-60 mph

No offense...

Check your timing method....
Looks more like 7+ seconds then your claimed 6 seconds...
Needle moving very slow....
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also have a stopwatch saying 6.2 seconds
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Old 11-13-2007, 04:28 AM   #17 (permalink)
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If you really want to see what your car can do 0-60 or 1/4 mile go to the track. Your car should do 0-60 in around 8 seconds. I still think that is actually veru good for a luxury sedan that's 13 years old!
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also have a stopwatch saying 6.2 seconds
A stop watch is not accurate as the reaction time to start and stop is a major factor.

Run at a 1/8 or a 1/4 mile track or use a vehicle mounted accelerometer which takes the "human element" out of the timing.

You are not 6.0 or 6.2.....more like 7.5 to 8.0 which is excellent for your vehicle.
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in any case the idea from the start was to set a baseline for people who are thinking about performance. for those of you with an M103, put up a video and show what a stock car can do. that way you will know if what you are doing is having a real impact instead of that great perceived impact that so many things claim to give...
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in any case the idea from the start was to set a baseline for people who are thinking about performance. for those of you with an M103, put up a video and show what a stock car can do. that way you will know if what you are doing is having a real impact instead of that great perceived impact that so many things claim to give...

The stock M103-12V will do 0-60 in about 7.5 - 8 seconds.
That's from experience long before videos existed when I bought my 300CE new in May of 1988.

Most bang for the buck on the M103-12V is to twin turbo in the style of Mosselman or Turbotechnics.

Other then pressurizing the engine there are no real performance bolt ons that impact significantly.

Opening the engine up and building a 3.6 AMG style motor will give you ample street performance.

Either way you're spending about $100+ per horsepower. !
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