m103 5 spd manual long input shaft( the box wont stand up on end as the shaft sticks out beyond the edge of the bell housing. i belive this is the same box as the 190e 2.6. the so called single mass flywheel cars
m104 was then offed with box as above
m104 then became avalible with the twin mass flywheel. much weaker box, crappy ratios. box will not stand up cause imput shaft is shorter than edge of bellhousing. different shift pattern, different gear leaver assembly and different gear change rods. ie totaly different box but it was smoooooth, ie just like an auto!
the best, strongerst box is the 190 cozzy box, will definatly fit both engines but needs correct flywheel, and yes both flywheels will fit both engines ( amg used 104 crank to make 103 3.2 capacity)
all will fit.
i converted my 300ce amg 3.2 turbo technics from auto to twin mass (before it was turboed), and broke the box with 245 bhp. and have gone thro all the options.
as side note, the 124 manual cars over hear have pedal boxes from the factory with 201 part numbers!! the early 103 single mass flywheel cars have 201 part numbers on the gear selecters as well.
best mod would be a mustang box though, we have them over hear in the sierra cosworths and they easly take 400 horses. merc ones dont(unless they are 190e 2.5 cossy boxes, then they do, but even over hear, they are like chickens teeth.
Thank you very much for the technical info.
So what did you end up doing after breaking the box with TT kit?
From the pictures I am seeing you will have one of the hottest cabrio's in the STATES, keepng with that if you are going manual use a Viper Tranny,I can help with adapting it to the M104 engine,,In return tell Albert to put me at the top of the list for a Carbon Fiber Hardtop...or I will give you the tranny already adapted to bolt right on the M104 for the hardtop,I'll do all the work to drop it in too...Your car is crazy,the viper tranny will handle any Hp level you can pull out of the TT,and it is very light and small,the gearing will get you off the line faster than any MB installed manual and being a 6speed you woulld have a serious top end capability,combine it with a 3.27 diff and it may be a sub 5 second 0-60 car.....I need to see your car in person,I missed it at Pasadena I am always working so am always late....
Vehicle: Mercedes Benz W124 Wide-Body (SoCalCarbon Custom)
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From the pictures I am seeing you will have one of the hottest cabrio's in the STATES, keepng with that if you are going manual use a Viper Tranny,I can help with adapting it to the M104 engine,,In return tell Albert to put me at the top of the list for a Carbon Fiber Hardtop...or I will give you the tranny already adapted to bolt right on the M104 for the hardtop,I'll do all the work to drop it in too...Your car is crazy,the viper tranny will handle any Hp level you can pull out of the TT,and it is very light and small,the gearing will get you off the line faster than any MB installed manual and being a 6speed you woulld have a serious top end capability,combine it with a 3.27 diff and it may be a sub 5 second 0-60 car.....I need to see your car in person,I missed it at Pasadena I am always working so am always late....
wow, I see work coming into my direction? what do I get out of it? I actually need some help with a transmission issue. If you can do what I need I'll make you a carbon hardtop.... PM me please so we can discuss. It is a TOP secret project
From the pictures I am seeing you will have one of the hottest cabrio's in the STATES, keepng with that if you are going manual use a Viper Tranny,I can help with adapting it to the M104 engine,,In return tell Albert to put me at the top of the list for a Carbon Fiber Hardtop...or I will give you the tranny already adapted to bolt right on the M104 for the hardtop,I'll do all the work to drop it in too...Your car is crazy,the viper tranny will handle any Hp level you can pull out of the TT,and it is very light and small,the gearing will get you off the line faster than any MB installed manual and being a 6speed you woulld have a serious top end capability,combine it with a 3.27 diff and it may be a sub 5 second 0-60 car.....I need to see your car in person,I missed it at Pasadena I am always working so am always late....
Thank you brother, working on it as we speak.
With MT I have about a few months to make the decision. As far as the list, I can help you with moving up. Consider to be at the top of the list. (There is a list? lol)
If Pumpish ran a Getrag 'box from the 2.3 16V in his 300E and it survived up until he was running over 600hp, I can't understand why anyone would be considering the aggravation involved in fitting a 6sd Viper 'box.
Please don't say it would be for fuel economy reasons
Look at the pictures of Pumpish car and what keeps happening to his drivetrain,the car may have made 600+hp but drive it daily and lets see what happens,and dropping in any manual in a Factory auto car is not a simple bolt up affair,once the bellhousing is made what aggravation are you speaking of,and have you even seen his cabriolet.
Aggravation is doing something that is hard to begin with,taking a shortcut then having to do it again sooner than you wish in the end causing you more headache,money and time, when you could have done it right the first time..
Look at the pictures of Pumpish car and what keeps happening to his drivetrain,the car may have made 600+hp but drive it daily and lets see what happens,and dropping in any manual in a Factory auto car is not a simple bolt up affair,once the bellhousing is made what aggravation are you speaking of,and have you even seen his cabriolet.
Aggravation is doing something that is hard to begin with,taking a shortcut then having to do it again sooner than you wish in the end causing you more headache,money and time, when you could have done it right the first time..
"Pumpish" put in an incredible amount of time, money and effort to build a "hand grenade".
If the cost of performance mods are coming out of your pocket, then build something that will last....
..........,and dropping in any manual in a Factory auto car is not a simple bolt up affair,.....
oh, but it is, depending on the cars, and in this case, its the 124; all you have to do is get all the correct parts. if youre handy with a wrench and have a decently equipped place to work, its then just a walk in the park.
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Aggravation is doing something that is hard to begin with,taking a shortcut then having to do it again sooner than you wish in the end causing you more headache,money and time, when you could have done it right the first time..
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Look at the pictures of Pumpish car and what keeps happening to his drivetrain,the car may have made 600+hp but drive it daily and lets see what happens,and dropping in any manual in a Factory auto car is not a simple bolt up affair,once the bellhousing is made what aggravation are you speaking of,and have you even seen his cabriolet.
Aggravation is doing something that is hard to begin with,taking a shortcut then having to do it again sooner than you wish in the end causing you more headache,money and time, when you could have done it right the first time..
My comment was not made to knock Babushka's car, far from it. I was just curious as to why you would want to fit a non-Mercedes part when the original will suffice. Yes Pumpish has had problems but mainly because he drives his car like he stole it The Getrag 'box will handle the power that the Turbo Technics kit is producing and Babushka himself has already stated that he won't be going overboard in the power stakes as the car is a cabriolet.
As a member of this forum with a specific interest in the w124 I have seen Babushka's car and very nice it is
I found this when i was searching around the forums for some possible junkyard strokers for the M103 and got this: Buidling a M103 for boost.
well... says in the thread:
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putting a ZF six speed behind it? get a 90's BMW M3 tranny and get the pedals out of a 4spd 190E.
This is in reference to M103 engine. Would this be a cheap and feasible option for the M103/M104? And would the M3 tranny take some abuse?
Would the gearbox options listed above by nick.ged be a good possible upgrade for the M103/104 as well, since he did state that they can take some abuse?
And sorry for the ignorance, but what are "cossy" boxes?and 190E 2.5L?
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