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Old 12-26-2004, 01:27 AM   #1 (permalink)
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engine wiring harness problem

i've seen quite a few posts about this, what is it exactly? and on wich models?
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Old 12-26-2004, 09:31 AM   #2 (permalink)
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RE: engine wiring harness problem

It's not on the 86 300E, so if that's your only MB, you're in the clear.

It's early 90s MB, ones with the M104 engines.

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Old 12-26-2004, 10:42 AM   #3 (permalink)
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RE: engine wiring harness problem

On the early 90's inline 6 engines, a large bundle of wires runs along the top of the engine. These wires connect to all sort of sensors. The insulating material of the wires degrades over time (quicker with higher temperatures) and begins shorting out. This causes sensors to give false signals or even damages them. The result is a poor running engine. Depending on the model, the harness can cost anywhere from $500 to $700 USD just for the part.
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Old 12-26-2004, 11:33 AM   #4 (permalink)
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RE: engine wiring harness problem

Thats good to hear. I can sleep safe again at nights :) then stay away from 90+ MB's? :p
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Old 12-26-2004, 06:33 PM   #5 (permalink)
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RE: engine wiring harness problem

Stay away? Not necessarily. Find out if the harness has already been replaced. If it has, you're good to go. If it hasn't, you could use that as a bargaining point in price. Save an appropriate amount for future repairs.

Later model 124's benefit from four valve technology that significantly increase engine power. For example, an '89 300E with the 3.0 liter engine produces 177 HP (SAE). The '93 300E's 3.2 liter engine boosts that by another 40 HP.

And since you're in Norway, maybe the lower seasonal temperatures contribute to less degradation of the wiring harness.
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Old 12-27-2004, 12:29 AM   #6 (permalink)
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RE: engine wiring harness problem

It's also a problem on the M119 engine as well.
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Old 12-28-2004, 12:10 PM   #7 (permalink)
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RE: engine wiring harness problem

My notes tell me the wiring harness problem includes the following vehicles:

- 93 to 95 M104 engines, including C280's, 300E (3.2's and 2.8's), E320's, S320's.
- 111 & 119 engines.
- 90 to 95 500E models.
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Old 12-28-2004, 12:53 PM   #8 (permalink)
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RE: engine wiring harness problem

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My notes tell me the wiring harness problem includes the following vehicles:

- 93 to 95 M104 engines, including C280's, 300E (3.2's and 2.8's), E320's, S320's.
- 111 & 119 engines.
- 90 to 95 500E models.
which cars had the 111 and 119 engines?
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Old 12-28-2004, 02:03 PM   #9 (permalink)
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RE: engine wiring harness problem


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which cars had the 111 and 119 engines?[/quote]


In America cars with the M119 engine were the 400E/E420, 500E/E500, 420SE/420SEL/S420, 500SE/500SEL/S500/CL500, 500SL/SL500.

In America cars with the M111 engine were the C220, C230, C230K. That engine still might be in production as the current 4-cyl. Kompessor engine, but I'm not sure.

Out of America it gets a bit more complicated, several more choices are available.
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Old 12-28-2004, 02:09 PM   #10 (permalink)
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RE: engine wiring harness problem

Any MB starting w/ the SL in 1990, and the S in 92, E's in 92 etc.. Runs through about early 96..

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