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Old 06-14-2004, 06:10 AM   #1 (permalink)
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AMG Hammer for sale in the UK

Here's an interesting advert I have just spotted

AMG Hammer, 5 Litre, 4 cam engine, Low Mileage, Right Hand Drive.......price £3000.00...thats only $5250.00 for this uberwagen.

The catch, it needs a new engine block, but comes complete and is otherwise in excellent condition and is being sold by a very well known garage with good pedigree here in the UK.

Question: did the Hammer have a standard 500 block with AMG heads or was it heavily altered by AMG, so much so, that you need to get a new block from AMG????.....anybody got any clues on this one?





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Old 06-14-2004, 09:08 AM   #2 (permalink)
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I have never seen a R.H.D V8.
Can you post a link to the ad???
Could be an interesting winter project (even though it's only June![8D])
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Old 06-14-2004, 11:15 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I'm off to see the car this morning armed with a whole stack of info I have found on the Hammer, such as chassis No's and engine No's.

It will be interesting to see if its the real thing.

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Old 06-15-2004, 07:15 AM   #4 (permalink)
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RE: AMG Hammer for sale in the UK

A true AMG "Hammer" would not have the 5.0 engine. They came with the 5.6 and the 6.0 with 4 cams. The car is possibly an early '85 model. When they say it needs a new engine block, they probably mean the heads are bad. If they are bad, you'll need to swap in a different motor if you want to enjoy it. Good thing is, it should be ready to take another V8. Unless you can find another 4 cam motor, you may just consider throwing in a 5.6 Euro.
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Old 06-15-2004, 07:30 AM   #5 (permalink)
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RE: AMG Hammer for sale in the UK

can someone post some info on these beasts for me... I asked in the general discussion section, as I had a poster of an AMG hammer when I was a kid, and I loved that car, but never found anything much about them, ever saw one, etc., etc...

any info, pictures, what they are based on (w124 CE?) engines, specs, etc. would be great

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Old 06-15-2004, 08:25 AM   #6 (permalink)
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A true AMG "Hammer" would not have the 5.0 engine. They came with the 5.6 and the 6.0 with 4 cams. The car is possibly an early '85 model. When they say it needs a new engine block, they probably mean the heads are bad. If they are bad, you'll need to swap in a different motor if you want to enjoy it. Good thing is, it should be ready to take another V8. Unless you can find another 4 cam motor, you may just consider throwing in a 5.6 Euro.
Yeah I thought the same as you 5.6 and 6.0, however, judging by an AMG site I found they manufactured a 5.0 between 1984 and 1986 for the European market and the 5.6 between 1986 and 1988 and the 6.0 after that.

Having seen the car today, I found out that it does infact need a new block. Apparently the Hammers always had a problem with blowing head gaskets and in an effort to fix it a so called specialist fitted oversized helicoils which were located too close to the cylinders and when the heads were tightend, they were tightend too tight and it caused a very minor distortion to the cylinder walls, which would then cause a failure of the gaskets when the engine was under pressure, which then resulted in water loss.

I checked the engine over (its out of the car) and it has AMG serial numbers stamped into the block and heads. The block also had a Merc M117 engine serial number on it and 5.0 stamped into it.

The rest of the car is in very good condition. The engine was taken out 7 years ago and the car was put into vacuum storage.....basically an environmentally controlled tent. The bodywork is rust and damage free with good blue/black paintwork. Interestingly the car was not specified with any AMG bodywork, so it just looks like a regular 300E with big AMG wheels and AMG Exhaust. The interior is dark blue leather with Recarro's and AMG dials and electric everything....all in good condition. Bodyshell has the AMG serial numbers stamped into it which check out.

This car was apparently sold by Stratstones who were the main AMG dealer in the UK and was used by them as a Press demonstration car....it only has 46,000 miles from new with a full history. Apparently it was clocked at 175mph during a car test with the press.

So the questions I have are as follows;

Do you think a regular M117 5.0 block will marry up to the heads....a tough question I know.

Secondly, if all else fails do you think a regular m117 5.0 would fit in and would I need the auto box that goes with the 5.0, as I understand the Hammer used a modified S Class box. Would i also need the the ECU etc for the 5.0

HAS ANYBODY GOT ANY IDEAS HERE????????
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You can drop in a 500 motor for the time being. If the tranny is still good it will bold up to the factory 500 setup and you'll get faster shifts under full throttle. The only difference in the AMG modified tranny for the M117 was the valve body was redone with a different spring setup for faster shifts. The 4v heads should go with a 5.0 block but I would do much more research on that. Try contacting omegabenz on this forum, he knows a lot about the old Hammers. You'll need to use the intake manifold from the AMG motor as well. Gaskets are a huge pain to find anywhere. Let me know if you find any! I don't think the ECU would be much different than a regular 500. The ECU for the 5.6 is definitely different for the slightly different fuel injection setup. Hope this is of some help.
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If you decide not to buy it please let me know where it is advertised. I will almost certainly buy it if the price is right.
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Old 06-16-2004, 01:45 AM   #9 (permalink)
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You can drop in a 500 motor for the time being. If the tranny is still good it will bold up to the factory 500 setup and you'll get faster shifts under full throttle. The only difference in the AMG modified tranny for the M117 was the valve body was redone with a different spring setup for faster shifts. The 4v heads should go with a 5.0 block but I would do much more research on that. Try contacting omegabenz on this forum, he knows a lot about the old Hammers. You'll need to use the intake manifold from the AMG motor as well. Gaskets are a huge pain to find anywhere. Let me know if you find any! I don't think the ECU would be much different than a regular 500. The ECU for the 5.6 is definitely different for the slightly different fuel injection setup. Hope this is of some help.
Many thanks for this info and the quick response.
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Old 06-16-2004, 08:48 AM   #10 (permalink)
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RE: AMG Hammer for sale in the UK

Right, I have managed to find a picture of an AMG Hammer that is almost identical to the one I had a look at yesterday.

The blue/black colour is the same as are the colour coded AMG Wheels.

The only difference that I can remember is that the grill on the one I saw yesterday was Chrome rather than body coloured

A photo can be found in the galleries....headed up AMG Hammer

http://forums.mbnz.org/gallery/goto.asp?id=31340

I tried to attach a photo to this link, but have not got a clue how to do it!
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