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W123 with a standard Trans?

I am darn sure you could get these in Europe but here in North America?

I have looked for a while and not found any.

Anyone on here seen one over the years?
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There is a 83 with four speed on sacramento craigs list right now
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Most common in the 240D model, only a few made in the 300D N.A., and all of the turbodiesel models were automatic far as I know. Don

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Ok I'm a newbe here and to MB but considering they all share the W123 chassis will an 83 4 speed fit in a 80 300CD? Or for that matter with turbo diesel?
Is there a web site that I can look up this info?

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Mercedes has no records of transmission types installed.

Over on W116 they have been polling to see what exists in those cars.

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Perhaps you could infer something from this.
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I was thinking more as to what different options came with these cars.
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4 and 5 speeds were available, however 5 speeds are very rare. (I don't know much about gasoline W123's) The 4 speed gearbox was only available for 240d's and 300 N/A engines and I believe the smaller 200d and 220d W123's. The 5 speed was optional for any non turbo'd W123 past 1982, however this was in Europe only. There never was a production turbocharged W123 with a manual transmission.
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My son drives a 85' 300D that is a Euro car that was originally non turbo and a 4 speed. Now has a 5 speed with the turbo motor. It is a blast to drive, and the standard transmission really wakes up the car!

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the turbo never came with a maunual gearbox from the factory afaik.

as a swede (northern europe)
about half of the w123s is automatic, but the smaler engines a lot came with manual transmissions.

the fivespeed fitted to the om617/m110 engines are extremely uncommon, (both as a ironbox in the w115/w114 and early w123s) and as a whole-alu 717.400 gearbox on the later.

the 200/200T/230E/230TE m102 (witch you US people never got afaik) is the most common with fivespeed over here, the gearbox in that one is a 717.401 and made by getrag, but if you have a regular m102 with automatic or fourspeed, any fivespeed from a w124/w201 will fit directly to the engine, and just need some driveshaft and shifter fix.
Know of people over here that has done the fivespeed swap on their automatic or 4-speed m102 w123s.

the m102 doesnt have the starter on the same side of the engine as the rest of the w123 engines, and thus, isnt a compatible gearbox with the diesel/m110 engines etc, it is however compatible to the w124/w201 engines.

since manual gearbox availability is pretty scarce for the US-w123s, and the w124 engines have a lot, a pretty deacent option could be to fit a w124/w201 m102 or m103 engine in your w123, aswell as a fivespeed gearbox. thats what i would do. or the om602/om603 engines with the same type of fivespeed.

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if going down the route of a fivespeed, do fetch one with a dual-mass flywheel setup, (different gearboxes for different flywheels)
it gives a lot smoother ride, swapped on my om602 turbo w123 from a single-mass setup to a dual-mass setup, and its a whole other ride where the noises, shakes etc dissapeared.
the gearboxes from w202 and w210 fits those w124 engines to, but lack the mechanical speedometer, and thus requires extra work if you want the speedometer to work.

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the 717.430 the single mass i broke behind the om602 and the dual-mass setup 717.412 what i have know

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