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Old 02-14-2008, 09:34 PM   #21 (permalink)
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A demand that actually is increasing fast as this ethanol/biodiesel thing is pretty new and yet only a small percentage of our car fleet can use it.
Latest Findings Show Widespread Use Of E-85 Fuel Can Double Green House Gases - AutoSpies Auto News

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GM: Half of U.S. vehicles will run on ethanol by 2012 - AutoSpies Auto News



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I looked at all the products and I think the 85 Plus looks best. Who is 'we'?



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Where does it leak? i've run a merc diesel on kerosene with no problem.
It leaks from the rear near the tank. Hmmm, you ran it only on straight kerosene? What model was it?



Anyways, based on all this information, I think using an additive like 85 Plus will be my best shot. Anything else will require modification, especially in a cold climate.
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Old 02-15-2008, 08:30 AM   #22 (permalink)
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I used Diesel Fuel Catalyst

Good Luck with you 1985 300D

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Old 02-15-2008, 12:56 PM   #23 (permalink)
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Ohh the LAW. Yeh, we better follow the law cus we all know the law has never been wrong before. After all, who wrote the law, wasn't it people who wrote it? And we all know people have never been know to fail. So that must mean that the law can never be wrong, never been wrong, never been amended, changed, abolished, nothing, never, no way.
Good thing that lobying is forbidden in your democracy, or else that would mean that those with bigger wallets can get their way over those with smaller wallets, which would mean that votes could be bought, not to mention campaigns, and all that would mean that "one man - one vote" no longer applies as votes are bought. That sound very undemocratic to me.

Ohh, where... Heck, just lost the rest of the herd.
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Old 02-15-2008, 02:39 PM   #24 (permalink)
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Zedd, is this always neccessary? Everyone on this forum is well aware of your thoughts on bio fuels. However, while it may be an interesting twist on social interaction the main purpose of this forum is to allow it's members to pool information. You detraction is duly noted, but it is becoming a hindrance to the true function of this valuable tool.

That being said...

I was purchasing this biodiesel which was apparently made from chicken fat, which gave it a gel point of 40 degrees. So, I'd be careful with that in super cold weather.

(Because Zedd will tear me apart on this if I don't choose my words carefully, I must preface my next statement with it's origin. This came from an aircraft engineer friend of mine, who I've found to be very knowledgable. I have not double checked it, however I hold his opinion in high esteem.)

As far is SVO is concerned, the lubricative properties of vegetable oil are out of this world. I've heard that it's lubricity is around 50x that of diesel. So if you're looking to increase the lubricity of your fuel, even a half gallon of SVO mixed in with the rest of the tank would do the trick. But if the weather is really that cold, don't go crazy with it.

Also, with your SVO hookup, how cheap is cheap? If you're talking $1.50 a gallon go for the SVO. WVO cars are more an exercise of altruism or a fun hobby (some guys make their cars go fast, I make mine run of vegetable oil) than a cost saving measure. If you just want something to mix in at a 1:10 ratio you'd have to do a lot of driving before you began to save money. Of course, if you are looking for the warm fuzzy feeling that comes with being a responsible citizen, I've found the smell of WVO exhaust is hard to beat.
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Alright 81240D, I think I will start using 85 Plus. Thanks for the info. By the way, did you notice any differences when switching to ULSD?
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Also, with your SVO hookup, how cheap is cheap? If you're talking $1.50 a gallon go for the SVO. WVO cars are more an exercise of altruism or a fun hobby (some guys make their cars go fast, I make mine run of vegetable oil) than a cost saving measure. If you just want something to mix in at a 1:10 ratio you'd have to do a lot of driving before you began to save money. Of course, if you are looking for the warm fuzzy feeling that comes with being a responsible citizen, I've found the smell of WVO exhaust is hard to beat.
As a comparison, 1000litres of cold pressed rapeseed oil costs over here about $1077 + transport of about $50-100, ~$1,18/litre. As I remember it, 25% tax was included.

Diesel prices usually range from $1,70 to $1,92, per litre.
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Zedd, is this always neccessary? Everyone on this forum is well aware of your thoughts on bio fuels. However, while it may be an interesting twist on social interaction the main purpose of this forum is to allow it's members to pool information. You detraction is duly noted, but it is becoming a hindrance to the true function of this valuable tool.
Oh whine, bitch, moan and cry some more why don't you. You don't like it? Then leave. I'll hinder this destructive and illegal fad at every point possible for as long as it takes to kill it. Vegetable Oil Fuel is Illegal

FYI, its spelled necessary.

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As far is SVO is concerned, the lubricative properties of vegetable oil are out of this world. I've heard that it's lubricity is around 50x that of diesel. So if you're looking to increase the lubricity of your fuel, even a half gallon of SVO mixed in with the rest of the tank would do the trick. But if the weather is really that cold, don't go crazy with it.
Good for SVO, too bad lubrication is NOT an issue with Mercedes' engines. It may be with VW, GM, Cummins, Intertrashional and others with rotary pumps where everything depends on fuel for lubrication but the OM6xx injection pumps are lubricated by the engine oil circuit.

Also, ULSD has standards for lubricity that must be met before it even leaves the refinery. On top of that, stations add their own brand of additives that increase lubricity, cetane and other points even further.

The idea the ULSD is somehow harmful to the engine and injection system is pure myth.
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