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1976 450SE W116 value

I have the opportunity to get a beautiful 1976 450se and the seller is asking that I make an offer (either the seller honestly doesn't know the value, which is possible because I know them and they just ended up with the car without any intention use it or sell as vintage, or they have an idea and seeing if I come in high or so low they'll discredit my offer).

So what is the value of this car? It's all across the board with google and ebay searches (from $1200 on ebay, similar models, up to $10 with restored models) and it's hard to find this specific model so I'm hoping some of you experts can give me a ball park.

Basics. 127k miles - no idea if the engine or primary parts are original or not. No rust seen. Not in perfect/restored condition but it is in sound operating condition. Starts, runs and drives smooth and all electrical items work as the should, from what I can tell. The paint is faded and cracked in a several places. The seats don't have holes but they are well worn (driver seat sags on the entry side).

I understand it isn't the same, but I had a Volvo wagon of the same year with similar miles and this 450se has worn well for it's age and miles in comparison.

I'll be using this car, not buying it as an investment or to restore.
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Without see the interior or engine I would ballpark it around $3000. Service history could raise that some, or complete lack of maintenance lower it some. If not done in last 40 years it will need fuel hoses, brake hoses, filters, etc.

Condition of rubber and wiring is important, and look very hard for rust, hood hinge pockets, trunk wheel wells, look under front carpets for moisture.

are you in Washington state? that is usually pretty good for old cars.
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The trouble is, there are lots of price guides out there. (Hagerty for one) The problem is, a lot of people not knowing much about cars, or grading cars, tend to get the prices way out of line.

For example, hagerty shows that car as a 10k car for good condition. BUT! If you read the description of good, that means a very nice car with everything working as expected, and it good enough to bring trophies home. The Fair condition is more what you really find. Driver condition with very minor issues. Looks good, etc. That condition is about 7k on Hagerty.

Other people have mentioned it, but I think Hagerty tends to rate the cars slightly higher than actual market.

I think there are a couple more guides. (Hemmings I think has one, and NADA?)

Hope that helps.

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The trouble is, there are lots of price guides out there. (Hagerty for one) The problem is, a lot of people not knowing much about cars, or grading cars, tend to get the prices way out of line.

For example, hagerty shows that car as a 10k car for good condition. BUT! If you read the description of good, that means a very nice car with everything working as expected, and it good enough to bring trophies home. The Fair condition is more what you really find. Driver condition with very minor issues. Looks good, etc. That condition is about 7k on Hagerty.

Other people have mentioned it, but I think Hagerty tends to rate the cars slightly higher than actual market.

I think there are a couple more guides. (Hemmings I think has one, and NADA?)

Hope that helps.

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Totally true. Most of the junk we daily drive is simply hoping to be a number 4 condition. If we really put elbow grease into our cars some of them will be number 3. Number 2 is a car that will win at any car show and is not a driver. Number 1 is a level that is only achieved through the insanity of cars that have all original parts and not a single aftermarket item on the car, like you couldn't tell the difference between a new one on the show room floor and the number 1.

The majority of the cars we find for sale are 4s and 5s. Hagerty doesn't even price rate 5s.
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Without see the interior or engine I would ballpark it around $3000. Service history could raise that some, or complete lack of maintenance lower it some. If not done in last 40 years it will need fuel hoses, brake hoses, filters, etc.

Condition of rubber and wiring is important, and look very hard for rust, hood hinge pockets, trunk wheel wells, look under front carpets for moisture.

are you in Washington state? that is usually pretty good for old cars.
Have to second rumb here. W116 values are soft and the fun per $ factor is huge IF you don't get a rusty one with a lot of needs. 5K tops and get a PPI by knowledgeable Benz guy. Unfortunately they are few and far between.
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No maintenance records could hurt here. At 127K miles, the timing chain may/may not have been changed. If it has not been done and you don't do it, you could end up jumping a tooth and bending valves (at best). Should be done every 100k miles

I don't know what a shop charges for this, I do mine myself, but you need a reputable shop and you will need chain, tensioner, guides. Figure $300 + for parts and a few hours labor minimum.
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I would base the decision on how much maintenance the owner has been doing to the car over the years. You have said that the paint is crap. That's a minus. The seats are poor. That's a minus. Service records? Condition of the rubber door seals and window seals? It's far cheaper to buy a car that someone else has dumped money into than to buy a beater and try and fix it. Or course if you just want to drive it and not improve it, it might be a nice car. Thirsty car BTW.

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