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Thanks for the great explanation!

Is there also a way to see if it's broken without driving? Because I won't have the possibility to drive with it, since the car is completely taken apart. It would suck to mount it only to realise it has to be repaired and take it out again.

Isn't this system only installed at the back? Or are you talking about the power steering?
There is very little you can tell without the engine running. If the back end of the car is not sagging, then it is likely that there are no leaks. But that's still just a guess. The engine has to be running for the hydraulics to operate the suspension - it's not like things are under constant pressure when the car is off - it just holds the pressure in the rear struts and stays still. So if the back isn't sagging then the struts probably don't leak. And the valve probably doesn't leak.

You don't have to _drive_ the car but the engine does have to be running. The only thing driving will tell you is if you have a bad accumulator and you go over a bump and it is abrupt.

One thing I will say about this - it makes an engine swap more complicated because you need an engine head that has the drive for the hydraulic pump - that's what I was talking about when I spoke of the stuff in the front. The hydraulic pump is connected to the front of the engine and a non-SLS car will have a different head without a drive for the hydraulic pump.

The hydraulic pump for the SLS and the power steering pump are not related. There is nothing unique about the power steering pump. If it leaks, you replace it. Easy.
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The car has hydraulic assisted steering (could pose problems and apparently very expensive)
There is nothing particularly expensive about the power steering. Manual and power steering boxes can become worn and require rebuild/replacement. The power steering pump itself is not expensive, you might need a special tool to get the pulley off. There is a low pressure and high pressure hose from the pump to the box. Those might need to be replaced.

In the big picture, the power steering isn't an issue.

The SLS could be more expensive to fix than other things, but not that much so. The normal things are what I would be looking at - brakes, engine, etc. And anything about the body that is unique to the LWB cars - those parts could be difficult to find.
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Grazie! Okay, so I'm less worried about the power steering and the SLS.

Called the guy today and spoke to him. Basically, I still don't know what's in good condition and what isn't. He says things were working before he dismantled the car, but who knows if it's true and how the parts have been stocked … the rear doors have some corrosion on the bottom and haven't been sandblasted yet (neither have been the hood, bootlid or wings yet). Apart from that, corrosion on the typical places (passenger side floor etc.)
Interior's condition still unknown, except for the fact that the driver's seat has a hole in the cloth. But who knows in what condition the roof liner or the other interior parts are. Dashboard has some cracks too probably.

He will send me some detailed photos so we'll know soon.

The one problem is that apparently the engine support is missing … I'm not sure what exactly he's talking about. It's not one of the small parts but from what I've understood it's more something like this: Mercedes A-Klasse W169 Vorderachsträger Motorträger W245 Achsträger A1696200787 | eBay

I think that's for the front axle. If this is it, then hallelujah. This thing costs a few thousand euros on Niemöller, and they don't even have it stocked. Apparently it got lost when the car was sandblasted. It disappeared and was never found again. Seen the price, someone probably stole it and put it online haha. But I have yet to see if it's really this part he's talking about. Maybe he's just talking about something like #2 on this picture:

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Apparently, the big part is called the subframe. Is there anything specific to it? It is W114 specific or the same on the W115? I also saw some for sale where it said it would fit on the R107 too. He has yet to confirm if it's that, but on the photos it's missing so I guess this is it.
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I bought a dismantled car once. Worst purchase I ever made. Would it not be cheaper to buy one that is assembled rather than take on the restoration of this car?

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So I'm looking for a brief education on something relating to this post. I'm truly ignorant on some of the Mercedes finer points - I thought "pullman" referred to the 600 line only?

Was there a 114 variant with special customization or something?
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from Wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes-Benz_600


The 600 came in two main variants:

A short wheelbase 4-door sedan, available with a power divider window separating the front seats from the rear bench seat, although most were built without this feature.
A long wheelbase 4-door Pullman limousine (with two additional rear-facing seats separated from the driver compartment by a power divider window, of which 304 were built), and a 6-door limousine (with two forward-facing jump-seats at the middle two doors and a rear bench-seat).
A number of the Pullman limousines were made as landaulets, with a convertible top over the rear passenger compartment. These were notably used by the Pope and the German government, as during the 1965 state visit of Queen Elizabeth II. Production of this model ended in 1980.


So it seems to me the moniker Pullman refers to having 4 backseats of which 2 are facing rearwards.

The W114/115 longer cars are referred to as LWB, or Long Wheel Base


Now there is a Maybach Pullman!
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W114/W115 cars with LWB (and W123 cars with LWB) were referred to as "Taxis". W112 cars with LWB were referred to as "Lang".

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Hey guys!

I will eventually go and check out the car …

What do you guys believe is the weight of the car? It's only the body, without any parts. Everything is dismantled. I'm trying to figure out if my car would be allowed to tow a trailer with the body of the car on it. But I have no idea what the body of the car could weight. What do you think?
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