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Grandfather's 71' 300SEL 4.5

My late Grandfather had a 1971 300SEL 4.5 that he kept in pristine condition. At one point he sent the rear end out for repairs and apparently the place went out of business. Somehow the rear end got lost and never returned. Since then the car has sat on stands in my families ranch barn for probably 15 + years.

The interior is still in excellent shape and has that wonderful smell of an old Mercedes. The body hardly has a dent or scratch on it, but does have many years of dust coated on it.

The engine compartment looks like it has been torn into a bit by rodents. Mainly the insulation under the hood and air filter. I am sure all the wiring is screwed as well, but everything is there and WAS working perfectly. I'm sure the air ride suspension would be shot after this long as well.

I am 30 years old and really don't have the extra cash to dump into a side project like this, however, I would love nothing more than to get my Grandpa's ride up and running again. Between the years it's been sitting, the missing rear end, and everything else that will most like need replacement, what would be your thoughts on cost involved with this? I would be starting at $0 cost, so anything I put into it will be total cost. It seems like these cars are highly under valued considering there were so few made.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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Just a wild ballpark would be $10-15K to repair and replace all deteriorated rubber bits, suspension, brakes, engine, and electrical. Change all fluids, If additional air suspension components need work add another 2K or more.


My 6.9 I have replaced over 400 parts on it just to get it running after sitting for 15 years. A lot were rubber bits.

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Just found this, you should jump all over it! very cheap!

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Grandfather's 71' 300SEL 4.5

Hi Rumb: just curious, I understand the rear end is valuable, but this would most likely be used to get him running on w108 springs. Is that correct? Or do the w108 and w109 rear ends interchange perfectly? I guess w109 owners don't need to swap rear ends to install w108 springs, just get the spring setup and install a compensator spring. Right?

Oops! Oh wow. I don't know why I was assuming that was a w108 280sel 4.5 rear end. Damn. That's a perfect match!!

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Oddly enough I have a complete 109 4.5 rear end sitting in my garage. I drove 400 miles to get it. Each way.
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Just a wild ballpark would be $10-15K to repair and replace all deteriorated rubber bits, suspension, brakes, engine, and electrical. Change all fluids, If additional air suspension components need work add another 2K or more.

I'm not with Rumb 100% on this - if you go Mercedes "approved" (ie dealership) parts to take the car back to absolute perfection, you might be looking at that much, but if you use Autozone, Napa, etc for generic use hoses and such, it'll be considerably cheaper. Considerably. As an example, I couldn't find a rad hose for my Fiat for anything under $200, so I took the old one to Autozone and asked for something with the same bends. I paid $42 for a Ford piece that matched the inner and outer diameters and trimmed out the lengths I didn't need. You can do the same with your grand dad's car IF you decide to change it all out.

You mention that the wiring might have been nibbled into - if such is the case, you'll likely end up with an engine fire if you don't figure that out. If you aren't looking to dump a ton of money into a new harness, use electrical tape, or any number of liquid alternatives that you brush on and wait a few mins to dry.

As for the rear end, yes, without a doubt, a 280se or SEL rear end will fit, bolt in. You'll not have the air bags, but then again, you'll also not have the considerable expense of replacing them when they go wrong.

Something to note when doing all this - in pristine condition (Pebble Beach concourse perfection), you can expect to get $15-20k for the car. In an average situation, with some minor flaws, perhaps a bit of faded paint and normal rust spots, you might get $6k or so, usually less. The market for a 109 hasn't improved markedly in the last few years, so before you start dumping tons of $$ into it, I'd suggest getting it into running order, figure out what HAS to get replaced/fixed for safety/driveability, and leave the rest to the "fix it when it breaks" category.

I'd love to see pics if you have them ...
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Yes, it all depends on what you want to do with the car and how nice you want it to be.

I was basing my cost off the PO description of "My late Grandfather had a 1971 300SEL 4.5 that he kept in pristine condition."

Assuming you want to once again be "pristine" then I would stand by my numbers. If he just want to get running, then you are correct there are less expensive ways to get there.

Here's one for sale for 15K that just had $10K put in and it is still rather shabby.

https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds...l/1864614.html


anyway, I hope the original poster shows up again with pictures and answers to questions raised.
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Grubeguy, I'm not really sure where you can get a concourse one for $15=20K anymore.

https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds...l/1871118.html

sure, he's just asking that amount and who know what he will actually get, but I'm pretty sure it will be a lot more than $20K.
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Oh heck Rumb, I can sell any car for that much too. Price and worth are very different. If you offered me a 300SEL without air bags, I'd foam at the mouth with happiness. But I'm not a purist.

Just because Hemmings has an advert for a 108/109 at $40K+ doesn't mean the thing will sell for that much.
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This is a money pit and a time pit. If you have neither, don't take it on. If you think you might have lots of time and money in a few years, save everything and buy a rear end for it from me or the other guy who has one for sale. Buy it from the other guy. I don't want to ship mine.

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I'm going to offer one of my favorite (and probably well known to members of this forum) eye rolls to any and all naysayers, and offer you a rear end for free, if I have it in layup. I think I do ... Look at your private messages.

Whether or not this is a money pit or a time sink, the project is a worthy one, if only to see another of our beloved Benzes on the road. I put more than I care to admit into my 108's restoration, not because I NEEDED to replace certain things, but because I bit into the bitter apple known as "replace replace replace" while singing the mantra of "make it all original. Gotta be approved parts." You don't have to go that unnecessary route, and you can still get grand dad's car back into service.

Utter hogwash ("not worth it," I paraphrase), if I may offer my opinion again.

ENRII, I've uploaded a ton of files (see Online Resources) in support of our (not really) rare hobby, and have a ton more in reserve. If you run into an issue you need documentation on, let me know and I'll load it up for you.
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