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post #11 of 25 (permalink) Old 10-04-2016, 07:47 PM
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Just to be clear, you are offering him a rear end for a non-air suspension car. I think that's generous of you, but scrapping all the air suspension stuff is getting rid of the best part of the car. IMHO. Maybe that's what I should be doing with my W112 300 SE LWB...

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Just to be clear, you are offering him a rear end for a non-air suspension car. I think that's generous of you, but scrapping all the air suspension stuff is getting rid of the best part of the car. IMHO. Maybe that's what I should be doing with my W112 300 SE LWB...
Your humble opinion is noted and I thank you for it. Whether the OP wants a springed suspension or otherwise is his choice, I'm thinking. I'm absolutely NOT a fan of the bagged things myself, and yes I'm aware of the exclusivity of the things, how smooth of a ride the system offers, non-bagged = non original = not worth as much, etc.

Having shelled out too much for the upkeep/repair of the things in the past, I'm also aware what a pain in the rear the system is to maintain and how much replacement parts are WHEN the system degrades.

MY OWN humble opinion centers around another 108/109 on the road, raising awareness/advertising nice lines and great engineering of an affordable classic, and being done so with a cadre of supportive, non elitists such as ourselves, behind the guy.
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I think he's in over his head.

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I think he's in over his head.
How did you come to that conclusion, given he mainly stated the car was in a barn, was missing a rear end, and was his grandfather's? Oh yeah, and ... wait, nothing else.

The rear end is a bolt-on humunculous. You bolt the thing in, you hook up brake lines, air lines (if you go back to bagged), the drive shaft ... and ... well that's about it, huh? A few hours of mechanicals, easily done with a 12 pack and a free afternoon, and a family heirloom is back in motion. Go team go!

And he's over his head beeeecaaaauuuuuse .... (that's an open ended question you can answer if you'd like).

These things aren't rocket surgery and you don't need a PhD to run an exotic computer system to diagnose the them. I still can't figure how he's over his head though, given all our expert advice and your generally helpful and enthused assistance ...

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... because it's my best guess, not because I know anything, other than after having worked on cars like these for the last 10 years there are a lot of little things to learn. The OP hasn't replied to anything in the thread, which makes me think he isn't really a car guy. He's 30, which isn't a problem, but he hasn't expressed a general knowledge of mechanics. A dead W109 that has been sitting for years has lots of issues to consider independent of the missing rear axle. What's his budget? Who knows. Does he have a workshop and time to devote to this? Who knows. I don't know. It's just how I'm reading the tea leaves.

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First off I want to thank and apologize to everyone. I had forgotten my password from signing up and was unable to reset from my phone at work. I am finally on my home computer and am thoroughly impressed with everyone's input, especially considering my lack of response.

First off, I am picking up that rear end that rumb found for me on craigslist. What a great find and only about 2 hours away from me. Thank you for that!

Grubeguy, I appreciate your enthusiasm and motivation to bring this baby back to life. Scoot, I completely understand your thought process and honestly your not far off.

I am not a car guy in the sense that I have grown up working on them. I am mechanically inclined and I am sure can teach myself quite a bit, but I will definitely need to seek help. Ideally yet it would be nice to get the car back to "pristine condition". I do not have the funds or time to do this right now. This would be a get it back on its wheels and wrench when I have time/ can afford type of thing. Technically my dad is getting the car, but I am the one with the motivation to bring it back to life. Mom unfortunately has the "your not dumping a bunch of money into that piece of crap" type of attitude... poor dad .

Keeping it bagged or to springs? It would seem like a loss to not include the original airbags in bringing it back to life; however, I do understand this means much more cost and upkeep I am sure as well.

For right now I will be getting this rear end. I am missing the two rear wheels and possibly the driveshaft as well. I am sure it was running flawlessly when my Grandad drove it last, so really the rubber bits and pieces and wiring I am thinking will be the biggest issue in getting the engine going again.

I will be heading to the ranch next weekend the 14th and will be sure to take some pictures to post up. Check this guy out:

https://losangeles.craigslist.org/sf...800493194.html

The interior on mine isn't the cognac color, but dark like that one. Not sure on how that effects value, but I think minus some possible fading on the front left quarter panel and hood, it could easily look as nice as that one.

Thank you again everyone. I will not be a stranger any longer!
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The driveshaft and wheels are easy to get. Wheels for most Mercedes of that era interchange just fine. 14" x 6".

As I see it, you have a variety of different starting points on the project. Obviously the first project is to get the car to have a rear axle. After that you have any number of approaches:

1. Clean fuel system and see if you can get the engine to run
2. Brakes
3. Suspension (air or otherwise)

etc.
I will say that from my perspective the best thing you can do if you want to save the car is get the old gasoline out of the car and clean the fuel system of whatever is rotten in there.

Good luck. Glad you got your password reset.

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OP, the question is, what meaning does the car have for you. There's the business/money side, and the emotional aspect. I think the latter is what's important for you – I don't think you're trying to make money out of this car. I am doing something similar like you – got a 220 D from my grandfather, no technical knowledge with cars until I started working on this car. You can read my thread, it's in the vintage forum somewhere, I really started from zero and was able to learn everything so far. You always find great people who will help and motivate you. You learn more and more, until you can help and motivate other people yourself, just like I hope I am doing right now. I will most likely invest more in my car than it is worth. But the car is a part of our family - everyone loves it! You need to get your mum to "adopt" it too! That's why I know that I will never sell our Mercedes. Therefore, spending more than it's worth is not a subject, since I know I'll never sell it. You need to ask yourself those same questions. And if you have the space and know you'll never sell it – why rush this whole thing? You have no money, no time? Doesn't matter, if you say you've got the space, keep it and work on it from time to time … you're not trying to break any records here. Nobody is telling you to get the car perfect in a month or so. You can do a little here, a little there … there's no reason why this wouldn't work. You don't need to spend thousands right away.

Honestly, it should be our goal to get as many of these Mercs back on the road again and save as many as we can! There's too many of these that get scrapped even though most things are okay with them, and just because "it's not worth it".

Also, the value of the car can vary depending on your country … the 4.5 isn't worth that much in the US because it was sold only there. (or mainly there at least) But according to classic-analytics.de, a german site, the 4.5 is worth between 28-38,000 Euros when it is in "Good condition". And 8-11,000 Euros when in "Okay/moderate" condition. So that's quite a lot already if you ask me…

But like I said, if the car has an emotional value for you, don't let money be an object. You're not under time pressure, you have the space, you'll have fun and you'll learn plenty of new things and make new experiences. Go for it!
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Here are some pictures my uncle was able to get. Poor lighting, but as you can see from the last reg this thing hasn't run for 22 years...

The interior looks better in person, the layer of dust almost looks like cracks in the seat.
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