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Why not put a 6.3 v8 in there, just to really stuff it up.

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Why not put a 6.3 v8 in there, just to really stuff it up.
Those days are gone. Have a BB Buick 455 with aluminum intake/heads, weighs 80 lbs less than a stock chevy 350. Sitting in garage. Thought about trying to make that fit, but getting older and starting to enjoy, just cruising, not racing everything around.

Will get pics soon, if I can pick these up would like to restore one to stock, and try to upgrade the motor on one, using one for parts. Will have to go over these cars a lot better to see if I can even get one running.

Has any one tried putting a 4 cyl, Kompressor motor in a Ponton?? Would like to stick to diesel, but it might be an interesting option.
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To OP if you are still considering this most parts can be got from mbclassics.de have a 55 220 Petrol myself these cars have a huge following and if they are from a rust free state you could be on to a winner to either sell on or get one good car from the bunch saw a car from australia in good condition going for £15,000
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New to vintage forum, although I guess that my 78 300CD would qualify. Have spent tons of time on R107, and W123 forums.

Today I found locally, a guy that has 3 old MB's, sitting in his yard. I stopped and talked to him and 2 of them are 180D, and 1 190D. All are manual trani. He thought they were all 1958 or 1959 model years. Did not spend a lot of time inspecting, but none of them had any obvious rust. Have not spent any time researching this old of MB, but am intrigued with these. Always looking for another winter project

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1: How valuable/rare are these models? Sounds like I can get all three for little more than scrap prices.

2: Is it worth putting the time/money into making one good one out of the three?

3: How expensive/hard to get are parts?

4: What are these cars worth, as they sit, for parts? He said that they all ran when parked, over ten years ago, but one had considerable blow buy.

5: Searched for some threads on these years, but have not found much info. Looking for some good sources for information.

5: Will get, and post pictures, if I get any interest, enough info to make a decision, or a wild hair up my ass.

6: What is the difference between the 190D, and 180D's, if I got the "package" which would be the one to restore?

Really on the fence on this one, looks like a lot of work, but are neat looking cars.
Sounds like an interesting find. The difference in the engine is the 180D is a non-overhead cam engine and the 190D is. The 190D outputs 52hp in proper running condition. From my perspective the Pontons are highly valued in the right circles. I had a 65 W110 190D many years ago the wish I had hung onto. It isn't fast like your 107 but it is a lot of fun around town. If these are Montana cars I bet they're fairly rust free. I wouldn't mind acquiring one from you in about a year of so. I've wanted another older Mercedes for a while now. I've fancied the idea of a 180 or 190 4 cylinder gas but will take a diesel. I might even be willing to trade my 107 for the right one.

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The owner of the two 180D's, and one 190D wants more than I believe the cars in non-running condition are worth. Will keep working on getting a better price thru the summer.

Helped a friend pick up this Ponton today, it was advertised as a 1961 180D, but badges inside of car show that it is a 190D. Fender stamp shows it being a W121. From my research that should make it a 58/59 correct? Car starts/drives, ran it onto trailer, and drove it about 20 miles after getting it home. He got it for $500 do not thick that is a bad price. Car also came with a trunk full of spare parts, injector pump, clutch, trani, trim pieces, lamp lenses. It does need a new fender, Will a 180D fender fit on a 190D?? What are the main diffrerences between the 180D and 190D?? It does have rust holes in the rear floor boards, front floor boards, and rest of car appear to be mostly rust free. Hopefully by this fall I will find another 190D, and we can restore them at the same time
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The parts should be worth at least $500.

The fenders should be the same.

Your friend should take a serious look at the "trailing arms" that bolt to the area under the rear floor boards. If one comes loose while driving it could catch and flip the car.

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The owner of the two 180D's, and one 190D wants more than I believe the cars in non-running condition are worth. Will keep working on getting a better price thru the summer.

Helped a friend pick up this Ponton today, it was advertised as a 1961 180D, but badges inside of car show that it is a 190D. Fender stamp shows it being a W121. From my research that should make it a 58/59 correct? Car starts/drives, ran it onto trailer, and drove it about 20 miles after getting it home. He got it for $500 do not thick that is a bad price. Car also came with a trunk full of spare parts, injector pump, clutch, trani, trim pieces, lamp lenses. It does need a new fender, Will a 180D fender fit on a 190D?? What are the main diffrerences between the 180D and 190D?? It does have rust holes in the rear floor boards, front floor boards, and rest of car appear to be mostly rust free. Hopefully by this fall I will find another 190D, and we can restore them at the same time
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