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Giving up pulling trans from 1969 280s

I hadn't intended to pull it before I learned my 1969 280s parts car has the same trans as a 280sl pagoda (not 230sl or 250sl). The label says 280se, so this trans could have been replaced. It doesn't really seem worth pulling the data card on this car I bought with no title.

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I'm out of time, and the bottom two 17mm bolts don't have enough space for a socket, only an open end wrench or crows foot. I don't have any good crows feet. The drive shaft looks like a one piece solid one, so I would end up cutting it to get the trans out. The compensator spring is off but the three bolts continue to hold the rear suspension on for me to dolly it to the scrap yard.

Too much work. Core value on these transmissions seems to be $500, but there is certainly shipping to be added for any buyer. So the upside is limited. Nobody is tossing a parts car transmission in a pagoda. I can't imagine 280se / 280sel m130 w108 owners are losing their transmissions very often.

Before I throw in the towel on this seized motor m130 with a 280sl transmission 1132700901 , can anyone stop me? I really just want it all gone.

I tried. I will make one more effort to unload it on a few local hoarders I know before I just scrap the thing for probably about $120 in scrap metal value.

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Giving up pulling trans from 1969 280s

My pagoda buddy seems to think I should try and pull at least a few bits off the trans.

"get this piece and rod if nothing else from trans"
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"also if it has good pump inside worth $300 easy"


From the Internet comparing pagoda transmissions.

"W113 series, 16 bolt pan, K4A025, automatic transmissions
The early version of the K4A025 ( 16 bolt oil pan) and the later version also type K4A025 (16 bolt also) are physically the same but have a slightly different valve body in the transmission. This later version of the K4A025 is identified by "GA 280 SE" label instead of "230 SL-E". Both these units are basically the same and are interchangable.
The early K40A025 (230 SL-E) was used in models 230SL, 250S (up to chasis #3651 ), 250SE, 250SL, 250S/8.
The latter version K4A025 "GA 280 SE" was used in models 280S/8 (early models only), 280SE/8 early models only), 280SL/8 (all), 300SEL/8 (early six cylinders only with).
A new K4C025 (4 bolt pan) replaced the K4A025 transmission in all the later models except for the W113 which kept the (16 bolt) K4A025 until the end of production."

As much as he wants to help, I feel like it's still not worth the effort.

Also, the engine is seized, so I don't know if that means I will need to pull the engine to get the trans out.

There always seem to be more parts cars.

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My experience in oz is that people just tend to get their transmissions rebuilt. It is a pain to swap them out so doing so on an untested parts car unit is never that attractive. I have never had much interest in the trans when I have parted out cars, except at very low prices.
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I vote for not pulling the transmission. I think Sun Valley Mercedes charges about $1600 to rebuild the original one and they are well-respected. If you do figure out what is worth saving from a 1971 280SE transmission let me know, my 280SE will eventually go to the scrap yard and I have no interesting in the transmission (which works).

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Oh, Fonzi, you and your endless supply of junk...

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Oh, Fonzi, you and your endless supply of junk...

I enjoy learning about the cars on a "for profit" basis.

I haven't made any money back on this junker yet only because I haven't sold a single piece yet. I've got a buddy sitting in the engine bay trying to pull the cam and head right now.


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I vote for not pulling the transmission. I think Sun Valley Mercedes charges about $1600 to rebuild the original one and they are well-respected. If you do figure out what is worth saving from a 1971 280SE transmission let me know, my 280SE will eventually go to the scrap yard and I have no interesting in the transmission (which works).

I posted above the parts I was told to grab if I could. The circled parts on the exterior plus the internal pump (if it works). I know the pump works (at least a little) because the fluid gushes out as I drive around the block now that I removed the radiator.

I told my pagoda buddy that he can have the car as is, or the trans if he wants to pay someone to pull it. He said he would pay no more than $250 to get trans pulled, which sounds like his max offer to have the trans on the shelf as a spare. He has lots of pagoda friends and is a hoarder like me.

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