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I'd be happy to upload a pic of the engine later today, if it would be helpful, but this should help.
The vin is 11401112003097
The metal tag under the hood shoes the car to be a 250 /8
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read all about the engine variants of the 6 cyclinder.

Mercedes-Benz M180 engine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

W114.010 1968–1970 250 2.5 L M114 I6 78,303
W114.011 1970–1973 250 2.8 L M130 I6 22,624
W114.611 1973–1976 250 2.8 L M130 I6 11,437
W114.021 1968–1972 250C 2.5 L M114 I6 8,824
W114.022 1968–1972 250CE 2.5 L M114 I6 21,787
W114.023 1969–1973[note 1] 250C 2.8 L M130 I6 10,527
W114.623 1973–1976 250C 2.8 L M130 I6 1,241

Seems clear to me the 250/8 had a 2.8 liter M130 engine in it

http://alabbasi.com/backup/Merc_114.pdf

says "come 1970 the coupe body arrived, wrapped in the 157 HP 280 engine exclusively, despite wearing the distinctive 250CE badges."

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Look for rust everywhere. Rockers, trunk under the rubber mat, under the windshield and back window, make sure heater blower works and AC blower (they are two separate fans). Great cars, buy the best one you can as they are not expensive and repairs can be.

^^^ good concise advice. Not sure what else to say after having owned (not restored) three of them.

Maybe add that you want the car to run nicely as the carbs are a hassle to tune if that's needed.

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Not enough info. There isn't a 250 sedan that has a 2.8 l engine. It's probably a 2.5 l engine with an M114 engine. You really need the VIN (or the first 6 numbers of it). You can read a little about the W114/W115 body here:
Mercedes-Benz W114 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

FWIW I believe the table that lists the engines to be incorrect.

^^^^ seems like unnecessary comment, and not true regarding the engine. The OP is correct about the m130 engine.


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The only 114s to have the 2.8 have the M110 engine. And this came after '74. The 250 models will have the carbureted M130 or M114 [both the same, iirc] engine, usually with the dual carb'd zeniths.

The m130 is approximately 2.8 liters. I believe the w114 was first called a 280 around 1974 when it got the m110 engine, which is a great engine in euro form, but fairly undesirable in the solex carb North American form as I understand it. I think there was a gen1 body style sedan that got the m110 engine in 1973, but 1972 is still the m130 as I understand it.




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Unsubscribe from silly discussion about which engine. Not productive. I said what I have to say - the wikipedia article is interesting as an introduction and has errors. Fonzi are whoever can decide what they are and advise the owner. I don't have a horse in this race. Later gators.

Sorry dude. Your advice on what to inspect is spot on. The engine stuff... It should be corrected, rather than leaving misinformation out here, for not only the OP, but for anyone who crosses this thread in the future.

All three w114 I've owned this year have been m130. Two long boring threads could be found by googling:

1) "Best place m130 w114 benzworld" << should bring you to a thread where I bought my first, a 1971 250 sedan that was from California with solid floors but the rockers were total Swiss cheese. It had ignition issues I worked out, plus accelerator pump issues I never tried to work out.

2) "3 little piggies m130 w114" << not a lot of work gets done in this thread but it should the sedan plus two coupes I bought. Sedan sold to Sam the w114 man near me and the coupes are still not roadworthy.

Not a lot of people drive these cars on the roads anymore. Carbs might not react well to ethanol fuel, at least not the accelerator pumps. Rust protection on these cars is pretty bad too. So it seems all the east coast cars are rotted out.

I personally think they are some great low-dollar, good-looking classics.

Oh, faded trim is very difficult to bring back. Small issue, but it give me an idea of whether the car has been loved or left in a field.

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Fonzi, my point was there there are numerous errors in the wikipedia page about 114/115. I'm not going to do the research to fix them. Regarding the OP, what is relevant is that it has a 6 cylinder SOHC engine (Not M110) and it doesn't really matter if it is 2.5 or 2.8 L. That is the least of concerns in evaluating the car with rust probably being the greatest.

Wikipedia is only as accurate as the information that people put into it, and in this case there are more mistakes than most entries on MB models.

After doing some looking I agree that later 250 sedans probably have an M130 carb engine. But so what. Don't believe everything you see in wikipedia. EPC is much more reliable but it has errors too.

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My intent was not to start an argument, but to minimize mis-information. I totally agree that Wikipedia is only as good as its public authors. The model engine section on the car is pretty good though.

I don't see any need for words like "probably" regarding the 2.8 m130 in the w114. I would be pretty darned surprised to learn all this information is wrong regarding the m130 in a 250 sedan. I don't see any need to go after EPC errors in this thread.
72' 250 2.8L Info any help is appreciated-imageuploadedbyautoguide1424613133.719738.jpg

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It was your attitude directed towards me in post #4 that I found insulting Fonzi.

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It was your attitude directed towards me in post #4 that I found insulting Fonzi.

Sorry I hurt your feelings Scoot.

I guess my tone was misunderstood. You were clearly wrong, and I was honestly confused because you generally seem to be very very knowledgable and a wealth of information regarding these classics.


Edit: I added a note to the wikipiedia page. If there are other errors, I would be glad to try and correct them.

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Forgive me as I am new to the Benz world but tomorrow I'm heading to see a 72' 2.8L 250. Being ignorant about the subject I have done some reading and trying to figure out which make and model it is exactly( ex. 114, m130?)Any information of maybe what to look for and have a heads up for as well would be GREATLY appreciated!
@Ea009

Sorry to get your thread all polluted with information that doesn't matter to you. In an effort to try and fix that, I thought I would list some common modifications which are:

1) carbs switched to webers, commonly perceived as an improvement possibly providing the max MPG per some things I've read. If you see the stock air cleaner, generally this means the original style zeniths are on the car, and zeniths are known to be very good if tuned properly, but few know how to tune them. Guides and manuals are out there, and I'm trying to learn to tune mine, but don't have the right tools. Therefore, it's been said that these are not a DIY carb. I'm trying though. I'm not sure webers are a DIY carb either. Some MbUSA magazines have written articles on the conversion. Thought I would mention this, as it's not necessarily a bad thing if you see some "hot rod" carbs on there.

2) Transistorized ignition removed and rewired with one of the following:
2a) wired like "old points" with high voltage through the points. Not good. Point get quickly.
2b) switch to a points-free ignition system like: crane/Allyson optical, or magnetic HotSpark or pertronix like system. These are generally perceived as an improvement on the original design.

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