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M-B dealers in early 60s

Does anyone have any info on the 200-odd Stude/Packard dealers who sold M-Bs before M-B set up its own dealer network (1965, 1966)?

Or, on the several M-B or Stude/Packard distribution points (US ports) that M-B cars were shipped to? (if you have a 1960, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 M-B and its data card, the Order No./Auftrag Nr. in it has a 3 digit code starting with 7 that states the port or distribution point; they start at 704 or so and end at 718 or so. You data card might also state a city or name a destination.) If you could share any of that with me, it would help.

My 1961 M-B (a US model) left the factory in April 1961. Its Order No.?Auftrag Nr. has in it, 714. I'm trying to figure which region in the US the car went to. From that, I might be able to track down the dealer it was sold from in 1961 (or 1962).

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most of those early dealers are no longer there .
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send a email to badwrench7@cox.net , he would know .[ oneger co ] Bob Gunthorp , well known in classic MB s
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Thanks for the reply. I've emailed Bob but no answer back yet. In the meantime I now have a 1959 M-B Dealer List for the USA, and a 1960 List is "in the mail". That's a start to getting this distribution destination puzzle solved.

Anyone reading this, with 1959 to 1965 M-Bs could help by checking your Data Card, and sending me this:
Auftrag Nr. (Order No.) 7 digits.
Any notes on the Data Card or your own info on what city, what state your car originated.

You could email me at timjohnson@uniserve.com

Thanks,

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i talked to Bob this morning , he says there is not much info out there , give him a few days to research .he has a vast collection of restored mb s from the 50 s and 60s , also has a MB salvage yard / recon shop .
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Just to add some more information on the Aurtrag Nr. - It was an eight digit number, the first digit indicated year of the order, the next three digits indicated the country of order or if a car destined for European delivery, and the last four digits were sequential for orders from that country. As an example, I have a 1964 220 SEb, ordered in Nassau County, New York, which I picked up at the factory in Germany. The first four digits of the Auftrag Nr. are "4719," "4" indicating the year of order and "719" showing the place of delivery. My 1965 220S was also purchased in Nassau County, New York, and picked up at a dealership there. Its Auftrag Nr. is "4714xxxx," the "4" indicating that it was also ordered in 1964 (but titled as a 1965) and the "714" showing that it was a car ordered from the United States for domestic delivery in that country. So far as I know there is no information in the Auftrag Nr. that shows what region of a country a car was ordered from or its intended area of delivery. Somewhere I have a list of the worldwide "7xx" codes, but i can not presently put my hands on it. I do remember that it is very detailed, covering all the countries, nations, principalities, etc., in existence at that time.
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Thanks for the reply and info. I have the list of 3 digit country codes; Germany has a code starting with 2 or 3 for each large city, 'special' situations have codes starting with 4, e.g. Nato is 401, foreign diplomats 403, etc. European (ex. Germany) countries start with 5, African with 6, Asia with 8, Austral/NZ/Oceania with 9. Americas start with 7; Canada is 701, Canada with Europe delivery is 702, 703-706, 708-718 is USA and possessions, 707 USA with European delivery. Strangely, the 719 yours shows for Europe delivery is also the 719 used for St Pierre et Miquelon; and I have another example of USA Europe delivery as 707!!!
And you've got 714, as delivered in Nassau Co. while I've got examples of deliveries to NY as 704 and 705...so I continue to be stumped. Maybe the 7's for USA don't correspond to regional offices; they might reference the 7 ports used: NY, Jacksonville, Baltimore, New Orleans, LA, SF, Portland. I feel the 7 codes mean something, as the digits that follow are to refer to the quantity of M-B to that code at that point in the year.

Maybe a few more responses, of Auftrag Nr. and the cities the cars were delivered to, sold in will give a pattern. Thanks again for the reply and thinking/info.
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Thanks for the "719" reminder. I was aware of this anomaly to the extent that several years ago I researched St. Pierre et Miquelon. It looks like a quaint and rather nice place to visit and to practice one's high school French, but I can assure everyone that it played no part in the history of my car. Indeed, I could not find that there was even a Mercedes dealer on the island. To this day I have no explanation as to how "719" became associated with my order. Perhaps St. Pierre was a little down on its quota of orders and some friend in MBAG tried to help out with a bogus listing.

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