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What's the "b" in SEb and Sb models?

s is like the big flagship model. Got it.

E is for injected. Got it.

D is for diesel. Got it.

L in later S class models is for long wheel base.

C in later models was for Coupe.

SL was its own class, not to be confused with LWB S class.

What the heck did that "b" in the late 50's or early 60's models?

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the answer you seek is there. sort of....

It says a, b, c are trim levels.
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the answer you seek is there. sort of....

It says a, b, c are trim levels.

Ok. At end of all other letter model designations under "car nomenclature" under "models".

"Some models in the 1950s also had lower-case letters (b, c, and d) to indicate specific trim levels."

Seems kind of lame. There must be more to it. When? What models? There are surely experts on the models that got these b, c, and d designations.

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What's the "b" in SEb and Sb models?

Ok. It looks like the b was dropped in approximately 1965 and I'm guessing the b c d thing was something from the 50s that was sort of like a 220 vs 300 or 280 vs 300 to designate different variants of the same body style.

This one seems to cover the transition from "b" cars to the 300se and then 280 models.
http://media.daimler.com/dcmedia/0-9...0-0-0-0-0.html

(What started all this was seeing someone mention a 300SEb and my recent research tells me there really wasn't such a thing, but I could be wrong.)


Edit: This page shows a little of where it seems the b c and d were coming from. It certainly does seem like a confusing period of model names. I am guessing that the b, Sb and SEb names were some type of a carry-over from the period of these Adenauer cars: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes-Benz_Type_300


Edit: aw Jeese... Ok. The Ponton 4-cylinder a, b, c seemed to designate a facelift version, a being just after the initial, then b, then c. And the big D always meant Diesel. Oh man.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes-Benz_W120

Well, now I see why they used a little "b". So if there was a 220SEb, then should there have been a 220SEa ? Oh. Maybe not because it seems the D (diesel) ponton jumped straight from D to Db, and all the "b" Ponton seem to be 59-61 models. Hmm... Time to go back to the 220SEb research now that I believe I found a possible origin of the a, b, c in the Ponton cars.

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No real mention of the "b" other than the premier of the w111 chassis cars having the "b" in their names starting in 1959. So I'm guessing now that a lot of Benz got the "b" sort of like the "stroke 8" thing happened in 1968, like a marketing or buzz word thing going along with the 1959 cars.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes-Benz_W111


Still studying up on this... So what's up with those early SEc cars. Hmm... There's a video of some lady driving one around a parking lot. Typo? Edit: oh... Maybe that's just people talking about tier SE coupes or SE cabriolet cars and not really an official name. Here's the nose relevant hit when I searched for 220SEc http://wiki.mercedes-benz-classic.co...EC-Getriebe/en
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check this out

Mercedes-Benz Ponton Overview and Production Data © www.mbzponton.org

it explains a few of the versions.

and yes there was an "a"
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i think that the b is for the extra chrome trim. we had a 22se and a 220seb next to each other and that looked like the only difference
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i think that the b is for the extra chrome trim. we had a 22se and a 220seb next to each other and that looked like the only difference

Were they the same year cars?

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I'm possibly way off in my thinking, but as the owner of a 1964 220SEb Coupe that I picked up at the factory in July of that year, I always thought that the "b" designated the coupe model as opposed to the sedan. I'm looking forward to the continuation of this thread to see if we can find a definitive answer as to the meaning of "b."

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I believe the b means it is a w111 rather than the ponton models that preceded the finnies. So a 220SE is a ponton, and a 220SEb is a finnie - both with 2.2L fuel injected motors.
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I believe the b means it is a w111 rather than the ponton models that preceded the finnies. So a 220SE is a ponton, and a 220SEb is a finnie - both with 2.2L fuel injected motors.

Yeah. That's what it says here. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes-Benz_W128

However, there was also a 190b, so it doesn't simply denote it's not a Ponton. I believe the a, b, c generally means it is a later rendition of the same model number vehicle. I believe I just read that there was a 220a (and 220s).

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