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I believe the b means it is a w111 rather than the ponton models that preceded the finnies. So a 220SE is a ponton, and a 220SEb is a finnie - both with 2.2L fuel injected motors.
That's what I always thought, too. My grandfather drove a 220SE, one of the last, and I always thought the SEb referred to the replacement model. Apparently not quite so simple??
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That's what I always thought, too. My grandfather drove a 220SE, one of the last, and I always thought the SEb referred to the replacement model. Apparently not quite so simple??

I think in the 220se that makes sense, and appears to be true (as the w111 220SEb is the later of the two).

But my point was that there are other models like the 180a , 180b, 180c, 190b, etc which are not w111 models. So the "b" clearly doesn't simply mean w111. I think it is more of a conincidence that the 1959 "b" cars came at the same time as the w111. That's my guess.

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Yeah good job Fonzi. I am glad they changed from that practice though as we could be up to the 220SEaf by now!
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Correct for the 220SE vs 220SEb. Simply used to indicate that the "b" version is not a ponton.

Within the ponton realm, yes, there is 180/180b and 190/190b. The "b" in this case simply means that it is a facelift version. The b models had a different steering wheel, more plastic, bigger bumpers, slightly different interior, and bigger tail lights. The 190 series actually continued with the 190c, which was the W110 bodied fintail with the same M121 engine as the 190 and 190b before it.

So the general rule of thumb is: A lower case letter indicates different revisions of that model designation.
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Just to confuse things for the mid-'60s period: I've looked at the factory build sheets for two of my cars. The 1964 Coupe is described as a "Typ 220SE" with a "Fahr gestelt Nr. 111o21-12-xxxxxx" and no reference to a "b" suffix anywhere. The 1965 Sedan is described as a "Typ 220 S with a "Fahr gestelt Nr. 111o21-12-xxxxxx." From this limited sample I must conclude that the fifth and sixth digits of the Fahr gestelt Nr., i.e., "12" vs. "21" were used to mark the difference between the Coupe and the Sedan body styles. The Mercedes-Benz literature of the period clearly referred to the Coupe model using the "b" suffix, which suffix never seemed to be applied to the sedan body style regardless of its engine size numerical designation. More research is clearly needed!
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http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes-Benz_Ponton

"There were essentially four types of Ponton cars. Note the "D" designates a diesel engine, and the suffix "b" and/or "c" are body variants introduced after the middle of 1959."

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Yes, you guys got it right, the small "b" helps keep the 220SE W111 coupe separate from the previous 220se Ponton coupe. The small b indicates "Bosch" for the fuel injection the Ponton lacked, which is why this one model doesn't follow the logic of the other cars, such as A, B, C which generally refers, in prewar cars, to cabriolet configurations, etc.

The 220SE W111 coupe is not badged as an SEb but rather just an SE, with the "B" being used largely internally, on official documentation, and so on.

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Yes, you guys got it right, the small "b" helps keep the 220SE W111 coupe separate from the previous 220se Ponton coupe. The small b indicates "Bosch" for the fuel injection the Ponton lacked, which is why this one model doesn't follow the logic of the other cars, such as A, B, C which generally refers, in prewar cars, to cabriolet configurations, etc.

The 220SE W111 coupe is not badged as an SEb but rather just an SE, with the "B" being used largely internally, on official documentation, and so on.

If b on a post war car indicates Bosch fuel injection, then what's up with the 180b and 190b (and the a and c versions of these) shown on the charts above? Are they injected? Didn't the "E" signify injection? Wasn't the 220SE ponton an injected car? (I don't know, just assuming.)

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I'm not sure what's going on with the naming of the 220s other than what has been discussed, but look at the 300 sedan from 1951-1962 as it was the 300, 300b,300c and finally the 300d as it went through engine changes and finally a body change with the 300d.
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