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I have ran light weight 16" CLK wheels with spacers, it a very noticeable improvement in performance and handling.

I plan to go with this look

A little progress on the wheels, this is the look so far (Still need refinish the wheel lips, paint the wheel center with body matching paint and mount the hubcap)





Should look something like this......




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That look viscious. I love that look, When you are done please share how you mounted the early hubcap



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Stream of conscience this post via iPhone dictation. Please excuse my verbose post that probably includes errors.

Every CL K wheel I had seen has had 205/55/16 tires on them. I agree that tire size works very well for
W114.

That also is a very common tire size.

It looks like that tire size would fit in a wide range of offsets.

From my tests I conclude that the range of offsets that will work well on a W114 is quite narrow.

ET 11 does appear too low for the front. As you could see it from my picture above even driving in a street line the outer edge of a 245/45/17 tire on ET 11 Rubbed. Also it appears that you need approximately 1827 or lower on even a 7 inch wheel in order to a sure that you do not rub the tie rod. This offset would need to be even lower on an 8 inch wheel. When choosing larger wheels 8 inches or larger is fairly common. So using 8 inch wheels as a basis might be a good place to start. I estimate that with inch wheels the ideal off set is between 11 and 22 this is very similar to the 107. The centerline for the maximum tire size on a 107 is approximately 17 or 18. I guess it's about the same for a W114. So if you want to fit the maximum tire size I believe keeping the offset around 18 is ideal. I hope to learn more and verify this overtime. That's really just for the fronts. However it seems like it would work for the rears too.

The rears do look like they can handle a much higher offset more easily. I had no rubbing issues or fear of rubbing on the inside even with the CL K ET 37 meal I had. I am not sure but I might have had almost an entire inch available on the inside. I don't recall the name of that part with the bumper that is used for bottoming out. But that looks like the first body part that would be hit with high backspace wheels.

Most staggered set ups I've seen use a lower offset in the back then in the front. So I'm not sure how important it is to try and determine the higher offset limit for the rear wheels.

... But!

If running large enough diameter wheels that the tie rod is cleared you could run much higher offset wheels on the front too. I don't know how large the diameter would need to be but I imagine that the ride quality would be much worse with anything larger than 17 inch.




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^^^ sorry, but I used iphone voice-to-text and I didn't proofread it before posting. The window of time to edit has passed.

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That look viscious. I love that look, When you are done please share how you mounted the early hubcap
I'm planing to mount the hubcaps to the wheels using these clips...

Hubcap clip kit

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Just picked up my new-to-me, 2nd owner for 28 years maintained, black on black 2.8 DOHC 1973 w114, and I'm in love. I used to have a 72, and regret selling it ever since, so now I'm reunited (and it feels so good). But to the point of this thread, here are a couple pics and specs of wheels that fit (just barely!).

Lorinser (german tuner like AMG, Brabus) 16x8 chrome rims.

5x112 of course. Offset: ET 22

Tire size: 225/50/R16

No lowering *yet*, but I'd like to lower the front end just a bit. SUGGESTIONS? How-To? I have a couple spring clamps I could use if advisable?

FIT: no rubbing in front fully turned in or out. insides of front rims just barely clear the tie-rod ends. about 1/4" space between tie rods and rim inners. REARs have no trouble clearing breaks and suspension components, and fit in the wheel wells no problem but they do come VERY close to a certain part of the wheel well - the rear wall of the wheel well (parallel to the back face of the wheels) on the w114 is not flat, it bows and in one spot comes very close (1/4") to the rims so I'd say this is as big a wheel as I could get in there without spacers or rolling fenders etc. which I did not want to do.

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In my humble opinion, any larger than 16 (maybe 17 max) just looks 'wrong'. And also in my opinion the stock 14" stock looks too small for the size of the body and wells. Those ubiquitous 14" stock MB rims and caps are from the w114 are in my garage. But on my much smaller w113, they look correctly proportioned. So I'm planning on leaving the stock 14's on the w113, but couldn't be more pleased with the old school muscle car look of these lorinser 16's on my w114. YMMV.
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What do you think? Pictures here:


https://www.dropbox.com/s/lk104tic8h..._rear.png?dl=0

https://www.dropbox.com/s/qatofccrtr...front.png?dl=0

https://www.dropbox.com/s/nqfytf9h3v...eview.png?dl=0

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I just last night mounted the same chrome wheels on the vandalized 1973 450sl I picked up, but in et11 instead of 22. Hmm... If you were closer and my tires were the same diameter I would offer a swap.

Not to go OT, but here's a pic:Will this wheel fit my W114 w115? Tire size & offset please-imageuploadedbyautoguide1412191305.850173.jpg

Just ironic that I bolted my first rs90 on last night. (These are RS90, not rs80, correct?)

And here are you pics for easy forum viewing:
Will this wheel fit my W114 w115? Tire size & offset please-imageuploadedbyautoguide1412191383.006251.jpg
Will this wheel fit my W114 w115? Tire size & offset please-imageuploadedbyautoguide1412191483.185351.jpg
Will this wheel fit my W114 w115? Tire size & offset please-imageuploadedbyautoguide1412191491.879301.jpg

Nice photography!

I think 8x16 et22 is just perfect for these cars. Et11 w 225/50/16 fit, but looked like a really tight squeeze. Anything wider and I think stretching and rolling would probably be required... Not that I wouldn't do that.

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couldn't be more pleased with the old school muscle car look of these lorinser 16's on my w114.
I you like the old school muscle car look then you should be happy. Its a bit this direction ......








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The top image is neat having deepened hubcap wheels (steelies?)

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Fonzi, yes, i believe the model is RS90 not 80.
KarlC, you bet i love those pics! Actually the last one you posted there (the slate blue grey metallic slammed on AMG Aero OZ 3 piece wheels --- the one on mercedes-fans.de) is the very same one that inspired me to re-buy a W114 after 10 years of missing my last one. I always thought it had a muscle car dual nature even though i always ran my stock rims/caps on my last 280C. Well, after seeing that last one there (and by the way the warm gray 280CE is just as HOT on similar looking rims) I knew that's all it took to bring that look out. It looks ... MEAN. In a good way. Not too slammed.

I even looked high and low for those same AMG rims and could NOT find them, well not in any size 16" nor could i verify that 17"s in the photo would ride well (outside of a photoshoot). Then I stumbled on the Lorinser (as you know they are also a german tuner like amg and brabus, though one we rarely see state-side). And I thought that is very close and still german/ and mercedes specific and era-appropriate as opposed to a yahoo-look cooked up by a teenager today. I feel its still on-brand if you know what i mean.

I just wish i got that slightly deeper dish look of the rims in your pics above. BUT HOW? is that just a function of being ET22 as opposed to ET11 which i assume those ones in the pics are? Fonzi your SL looks sick on those rims too! are they deeper dished than mine (is that a design difference, or literally just a smaller offset (11?))


I also have black/chrome center caps on the way (to me they look like a miniaturized standard hub cap - in the form of a center cap, but maybe that's a stretch). I also am keen on dropping the front end only, and only then by like 5/8" or so. even though that center chrome body band is parallel to the ground, the wells are so exaggerated in front vs rear, it almost looks like it's higher in the front than the back. i think lowering front a fraction of an inch could very well look more level. how will that make it drive? i don't know. but i'll let you know as soon as i do.

the car came with spring clamps in one of its spare parts boxes. but only 2, and marked 'rear springs' in grease pencil. do they work on fronts? i don't know. i'll probably try them. i don't see why not.

thanks for starting this thread fonzi.

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Yes. Pretty sure there is a Deeper lip on et11. They should fit with 225/50/16 though (based on a trial on my sedan).

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