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post #11 of 17 (permalink) Old 01-19-2014, 08:08 AM
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110 and 111 had single pipes and work well
. If the distributer centrifugal weights are jammed due to lack of lubrication OR. timing chain stretch the engine will be sluggish.
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230 S (??)

Are you talking about the car in the photo on the very first post ?
I have to disappoint you, but that is a 230 (a?, plain 230)

And if in fact that is the subject car :
I cannot tell from the small photo, what motor you have in there.
And most of all what carburetors.
If it has the small Solex carbs, you could upgrade to the (real) 230S cars' :
the Zenith INAT 35/40, that are better carbs.

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Aren't the Zenith carbs a bit of a PITA though? I remember hearing people have lots of trouble with the Zenith carburators for the W108 - not sure if it's the same for the W111.
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Are you talking about the car in the photo on the very first post ?
I have to disappoint you, but that is a 230 (a?, plain 230)

And if in fact that is the subject car :
I cannot tell from the small photo, what motor you have in there.
And most of all what carburetors.
If it has the small Solex carbs, you could upgrade to the (real) 230S cars' :
the Zenith INAT 35/40, that are better carbs.

Alex

I agree, on the photo in the first post is the Type 110, not 111.

The 230 (110.011) and 230 S (111.010) both have M180 engine.

The 230 has engine with two Solex 38 PDSI-2 only up to 06.1966. And from 07.1966 the 230 have identical to 230 S engine with two Zenith 35/40 INAT.
The subject car is 1967 model.

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post #15 of 17 (permalink) Old 01-29-2014, 08:25 PM Thread Starter
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Hi all, thanks for all the input. The car is indeed a 1967 w110, 230, no 's'. It has a 2.3L straight six engine, with two Weber downdraught carbs. No p/s, no A/C. The potential donor 250SE has power steering and air conditioning. I am not sure if these engine components from the 250 would bolt on to 230 engine. The distributor on the 230 is on the side of the engine, while the dizzy on the 250 looks like it's driven from the timing cover. It seems like this change was made to accommodate the FI distributor that's on the side of the 250 motor.

The 230 is a manual gearbox which I would like to retain, and the 250 is automatic tranny (yuck).

The 250 is not in a good location for parts stripping, the owner can't find the title, and my wife would kill me if I brought another old rusted out car home. It really looks terrible. Would be nice if I could upgrade my car with those parts though.

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I wasn't aware of a weber upgrade for that intake manifold. I would think twice before ditching the weber carbs and intake in favor of a M129 / M130 engine. Could you post a picture of your carbs and intake please? Want to sell your carbs and intake?

Currently: 1967 250 SL, 1963 220Sb, 1965 300SE Lang, 1971 280SE parts car, 1972 Alfa GTV, 1965 Alfa Duetto, 1993 BMW R100R
Past: 1971 250 C, 1985 300 TD, 1967 250 S, 1968 280 S,1981 300 D, 1982 280CE, 3 Facel Vegas, Borgward Isabella Coupe, Alfa 2600 Sprint, Volvo P1900 (yes), numerous less interesting Volvos, ...
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On a related note, a 1967 250 M129 motor _might_ have an oil cooler under the left motor support. a 1968 280 M130 motor _probably_ has an oil cooler with the radiator. A W110/W111 might not have any oil cooler. So if you switch engines you want to get an oil cooler setup that goes under the left engine mount with the engine because it isn't going to fit anywhere near the radiator to the best of my knowledge... I don't think power steering pump addition will be a problem although you will probably need a bracket that you don't have. Auto trans will probably require a trans cooler that you also don't have.

GL with project, I would like to hear more about Webers on an M180...

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