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Going to Look at 1 owner 1961 220sb

I'm going this weekend to look at and maybe buy a 1961 220sb, one owner, garage kept Benz. Do any of you guys have any advice or anything I need to look for, or look out for. Price?? This is an estate sale. And is this even a "desirable" car.

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There is one thing that I hate he most and don't want to deal on These cars

R
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Rust will cost you tons of money to repair
Everything is replaceable
It all depends how much time and money you want to put in it
I would rather pay more for an excellent condition car

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condition

there are one owner cars and there are ONE owner cars...

Condition is important.
AND MAINLY if the car was kept dry and indoors and if it was moved/driven occasionally.
As mentioned Rust is No 1 deterrent.
mileage could be over 100 or even 200 000 miles...(check wear patterns...)

If you end up not interested in it, pass on the info, please, maybe somebody else here would want it.

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Depends on what your idea of "desirable" is.

If you mean is it valuable or rare? Absolutely not. The 190 was a pretty plebeian model of its time as far as MBs go, so don't expect that it's going to even be worth what they want for it.

Price will be subjective.

If it's an auction or estate sale seller, be prepared for them to ask an unrealistic price, as they will look at age and patina as opposed to the actual market value when they price it. In other words, because it's an "antique" or "classic" they may have very unrealistic expectations of value.

And as other have pointed out, these models are very prone to rust and expensive to repair. In many cases the repairs exceed the value of the car.

Definitely check it out and see - you may get lucky! Be sure to follow up here with some pictures if you can.

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If you mean is it valuable or rare? Absolutely not. The 190 was a pretty plebeian model of its time as far as MBs go, so don't expect that it's going to even be worth what they want for it.
He isn't seeing a 190 just to clarify. The fintail sedans are starting to creep back up in terms of value and desirability as their more valuable coupe and cab brothers rise, but are nowhere near valuable enough to justify any sort of restoration unless you simply want it perfect and have the cash to lay out. If this is the type of one owner car that it is being made out to be, a real hidden gem, then it may be worthwhile. Ask for any and all service records, and registration info, at least to view and confirm if they don't want to let you leave with the info for privacy reasons. Ask what shop it was serviced at and call that shop and see if they have anything to say about the car. If it has not been run or driven then your costs will begin to mount as you battle leaks and replacing rubber, brakes, cleaning fuel lines, gas tank, etc. Check around the headlights and all lower sections for any signs of rust. See if the heater blower works and how it stops, shifts and idles.
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He isn't seeing a 190 just to clarify.
My bad. Not sure what I was thinking, but I knew he was talking about a finnie…

All good points. if it's solid and inexpensive, great. if it's a fixer-upper and not cheap, walk away.

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so ?
What was the outcome ?
I am curious as to what happened to the car.
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Finally, went to see the 61 today. Looks great on the outside, just 30 years of garage dirt. It has'nt ran since 1984. But the interior looks rough. I think it would be would run if tinkered with. They want 2300. ????
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Where are the photos ?

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Finally, went to see the 61 today. Looks great on the outside, just 30 years of garage dirt. It has'nt ran since 1984. But the interior looks rough. I think it would be would run if tinkered with. They want 2300. ????
If you start a thread like this and you want our opinion in my mind you need to put up some photos or else we are all just guessing.
About the 220Sb in general:
Later cars are more desirable than earlier ones for technical reasons: brakes, automatic..
Earlier ones were nicer and more durable inside.
The body is the same from 1959 through 1968 though they stopped 220Ss in 1965 (with the start of he w108-line) and only kept one model (6cylinder) the 230S until early 1968 when the /8 came out or known as w114/5 sedans. As said Look out for rust.
1. Rocker panels (or just the tips), if bad the jack points will give like butter when you try to jack up the car.
2. Cross member under radiator.
3. top edge of inside fender where the fenders screw onto body.
and bottom edge of the fender near front door.
4. Bottom of doors
5. trunk floor and bottom of trunk/rear fender (spare wheel wells) also rear wheel arches.
6. if really bad: the frame rail inboard from the rear wheels above and where it swings over the rear axle.
All of it fixable, but the more and the better you do it, then cost usually out-runs the value of the finished car.
For a decent runner you can weld on flat patches, but that's just to keep it from falling apart.

take a screw driver and poke.

ALSO : take some gloves and see if you can turn the motor. If it's frozen it'll be questionable if this car is gonna make it back on the road.....

Now you have an excuse to go back and take photos especially underneath.

I'll tell you more if you bring photos....about the price etc....

Alex

I have several of these here in CA, so I know these cars....well

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Thanks so much Alex. It is so dark in the garage that I'm not sure that the pix would be any good. I'm pretty sure the body is good. The issue with the car was the carb. The guy who owned the car was apparently good about maintaining the car. But I really wished I'd tried to turn that motor manually. The car is a pretty good distance, from here. Do you think the motor would be seized, after 30, I'm thinking that it could be. Just don't know.
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